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  • PoeticGP PoeticG wrote on last edited by
    #42

    Let's upgrade the position that touches the ball on nearly every play... QB.

  • Let's upgrade the position that touches the ball on nearly every play... QB.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #43

    @poeticg said:

    Let's upgrade the position that touches the ball on nearly every play... QB.

    Great plan....but only if there's a QB in the draft worth taking in the first round.

  • @poeticg said:

    Let's upgrade the position that touches the ball on nearly every play... QB.

    Great plan....but only if there's a QB in the draft worth taking in the first round.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #44

    @mark-o said:

    Great plan....but only if there's a QB in the draft worth taking in the first round.

    I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?

  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #45

    Just a note on the original post. See the following:

    Teams that had 3 QBs primarily associated with them:

    49ers, Packers, Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles, Chargers, Oilers/Tits, Giants, Rams

    Teams that had 2 QBs primarily associated with them:

    Pats, Colts, Dolphins, Saints, Steelers, Bengals, Raiders

    Teams with just one QB associated with them:

    Browns, Broncos, Vikings, Chiefs, Lions, Jets, Bears, Bills, Falcons

    Teams that had no QBs associated with them:

    Jaguars

    Seahawks....though Wilson could eventually join list

    Cardinals

    Texans

    Bucs

    Panthers...though Newton could join list

    Ravens...though Flacco could join list.

    Odd that between the 2 oldest NFL franchises...Bears/Cards....only one top 50 QB....Sid Luckman from the 30s/40s is associated with them.

  • @mark-o said:

    Great plan....but only if there's a QB in the draft worth taking in the first round.

    I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #46

    @the-gipper said:

    I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?

    I'd love that....Just don't think that the QB's in this draft are in the same class as the guys on that initial list.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #47

    Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.

    Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.

    The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.

    In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.

  • @the-gipper said:

    I expect that whomever we take to have his name placed one day with the people list in the OP. Its about time don't you think?

    I'd love that....Just don't think that the QB's in this draft are in the same class as the guys on that initial list.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #48

    @mark-o said:

    I'd love that....Just don't think that the QB's in this draft are in the same class as the guys on that initial list.

    Well, like I said, there are 7-8 of the guys on that list that went lower than 100th.....three were UDFAs.

    But 7-8 total were #1 overall.

    So, its an inexact science.

  • Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.

    Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.

    The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.

    In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
    #49

    @tiamat63 said:

    Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.

    Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.

    The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.

    In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.

    What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.

    That's right.....no one.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.

    Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.

    The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.

    In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.

    What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.

    That's right.....no one.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
    #50

    @the-gipper said:

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Pretty simple. This is a weak QB draft class. So players with 3rd round value find themselves going 2nd. Players with 2nd see themselves going 1st round.

    Look no further than 2013 with Geno Smith. Second round pick and the kid was a very questionable pick even then.

    The wise stay put, do not artifically inflate the value of a given player do to the relative weakness of their fellow classmates and let the draft come to you.

    In other words, no QB #1. Probably not even top 10.

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    And the double wrong part is that yes, these two QBs WILL grade out to be Top Ten prospects.

    What dozen miracle football players out there at other positions are going to impress the scouts SO much that they are ALL going to abandon their need for a QB to take these other guys.

    That's right.....no one.

    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
    #51

    @the-gipper said:

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?
  • @the-gipper said:

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?
    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
    #52

    @canton-dawg said:

    When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?

    2013. Which is EXACTLY the point I'm attempting to highlight.

  • @canton-dawg said:

    When was the last time a QB was not drafted in the top 10?

    2013. Which is EXACTLY the point I'm attempting to highlight.

    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
    #53

    @tiamat63 said:

    2013. Which is EXACTLY the point I'm attempting to highlight.

    I just checked out that draft, pretty weak across the board.
  • @the-gipper said:

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #54

    @tiamat63 said:

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

    Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.

    I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.

    I am not fucking stuttering.

    Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.

    There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.

    If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Except, of course, to quote Captain Kirk...you are double dumbass wrong. AT LEAST 2 QBs will go in the Top ten. Trubisky and Watson.

    Where on God's Green Earth did you get the idea that teams with desperate needs for a QB are not going to go after a QB: Browns, Jets, Bears, 49ers. Minimumly will be looking for QB. And some may even want to trade up higher to get one.

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

    TopDawg31T TopDawg31 wrote on last edited by
    #55

    @tiamat63 said:

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

    And if you pass on all of the top 3 and just one of them becomes good to great and you had the #1 pick?

  • Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #56

    Season of angst. Come on guys, chill out on the draft.

  • Season of angst. Come on guys, chill out on the draft.

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
    #57

    @bob806 said:

    Season of angst. Come on guys, chill out on the draft.

    Gip picked a guy so he has to ride it into the ground. It is his thing. Facts don't matter. Trubisky said he wants to be a Brown thus Aaron Rodgers haha.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Was my post about a weak draft class NOT clear in some way? You DON"T pick a QB that high, because he looks like he might have a few flower peddles among a garden of weeds.

    That it artificially inflates value of players that are lesser against previous prospects by a great margin? At any point that registers, let me know... then form a counter argument against it.

    Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.

    I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.

    I am not fucking stuttering.

    Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.

    There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.

    If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
    #58

    @the-gipper said:

    Right....you pick a QB because he appears to be an outstanding prospect.

    I mean....do you not fucking get what I am fucking saying? I think this guy has Aaron Rodgers like talent.

    I am not fucking stuttering.

    Do you now understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.

    There is NO fucking artificially inflating value.

    If you disagree....so be it. But your opinion on this matter is not worth a cabbage fart more than anyone else's.

    What about Trubisky's game reminds you of Aaron Rodgers? Any particular game we should check out?

  • @bob806 said:

    Season of angst. Come on guys, chill out on the draft.

    Gip picked a guy so he has to ride it into the ground. It is his thing. Facts don't matter. Trubisky said he wants to be a Brown thus Aaron Rodgers haha.

    Mark OM Mark O wrote on last edited by
    #59

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Gip picked a guy so he has to ride it into the ground. It is his thing. Facts don't matter. Trubisky said he wants to be Brown thus Aaron Rodgers haha.

    I don't see it in him. But if we pick him, I'll be his biggest fan.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Gip picked a guy so he has to ride it into the ground. It is his thing. Facts don't matter. Trubisky said he wants to be Brown thus Aaron Rodgers haha.

    I don't see it in him. But if we pick him, I'll be his biggest fan.

    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
    #60

    @mark-o said:

    I don't see it in him. But if we pick him, I'll be his biggest fan.

    Oh for sure. Even when we drafted Johnny Drunk, I wanted him to succeed.

  • Browns1216B Browns1216 wrote on last edited by
    #61

    To throw a wrench into everything

    http://www.wkyc.com/sports/nfl/bengals-aj-mccarron-ready-for-a-trade/381358220

    offer up one of our many late-round draft picks for A.J. McCarron and use our early round picks drafting BPA. Browns have so many holes, it doesn't matter what position they draft as long as they get the best possible football player they can get. Or just stick with Kessler, save the draft picks and fix this horrible defense and get some depth on the offensive line. Just don't waste a high draft pick on a QB that will end up getting killed on this team.