No thanks on any trade for Kolb. This boils down to Heckert vs Andy Reid, mano a mano, and until I know more I'll take Andy Reid every time. If Reid offers Kolb to us for a reasonable price we shouldn't want him, and if Reid likes Kolb we won't be able to get him anyway.

@clbrowns said:I'm 25 thank you and I have been a Browns fan for 20 year and my father followed then forever.I hurt just like everybody else but just give it up already deal with it. Hey, your english is as good as mine. I'm Italian. Where are you from?

This weekend I simmed 2 Browns vs Oakland and 2 Browns vs Lions games on Madden. Browns lost every time. They can't even win in Madden. Cmon man.

you mean the sanchez that threw 5 int's to the Bills? The sanchez that went into a team with a SOLID foundation and an opportunity to succeed because he has a good defense and last years leading rusher. .. he has players around him... If he came here he would suck..... WE HAVE NO STRUCTURE to help a qb yet.. You really think a rookie qb can carry a team who's defense is ranked last in the nfl and giving up an average of 25 points per game? and no running game to support him?

perverted and classless are not identical. everybody has their own values and ideas of what respect is due their sig other>>football board or not that shit is really tacky and totally beneath even me. JMO, carry on.

@mitch said:Thank you for providing no analysis, insight or anything but a terrible attitude for our upcoming week. Look who we have played at 0-4 Vikings (3-0) Ravens (3-1) lose to Pats Bengals (3-1) Broncos (4-0) Bills have managed one win against an 0-4 team and a loss against a previously winless team w/o their starting quarterback. Are we a good football team? No we have many holes and problems Is mangini a good football coach? How about too soon to tell after 1 month into inaugural season. But if your gonna dump on our team how bout you actually say something rather of significance rather than coming on here and just stating we are gonna get tore up by Edwards and T.O. If we play like we did this week we can beat the Bills. Thank you Mitch. They have a good D but I think that we can take them. I'm not worried at all about Edwards or their passing game. I am worried about their running game. They have Jackson who I think is a stud and they got Lynch back last week. Thats a tough tandem to deal with.

Today we showed that we are alive dude. We may have lost but hey we will be facing easier teams ... and if this unit can gel together we can pull out some wins.

Assuming he gets fired, I'd assume Jim Zorn will be Lerner's preference... Lerner's got stats that show the best coaches are the ones who were fired before... and of course he'll move swiftly to lock Zorn up before someone else grabs such a hot commodity. Then I expect he'll let Zorn pick the GM for the team - because why WOULDN'T you want a previously fired coach who no one else wants determine who should be the GM? Seriously you guys are being a bit hard on Mangini - sure he's an a-hole who can't be trusted to stand by his word that he'd stand by the winner of the QB competition and comes up with draconian fines... but how the hell do you expect him to field a competitive team when players are walking out of hotel with $3 water bottles? What's next - pilfering ketchup packs at fast food joints? It just goes downhill from there and before you know it, the seasons ruined.

@vegasdogg said:Of course you have a designated driver? LOL. Theres not than many turns on 90 heading towards Erie. Just close your eyes and hold the wheel straight. Disclaimer razor1414 does not support drinking and driving, please drink responsibly and always designate a drunk driver. Consumption of alcohol may cause a flux in the time-space continuum, whereby gaps of time may seem to disappear.

@vegasdogg said:We really need to have a 100 post trial period before starting a thread. This is a horrible thread and I am not just talking about waste vs waist. Yes Virginia, this is what fail looks like. Thanks for joining!!

The future.....well I sadly gave up on an opportunity to go watch the Browns play the Bears in Chicago. I still may if we start to resemble a pro team, but I'm not too optimistic. Anybody headed to KC on Dec 20th? The KC Backers put on a good party I hear, too bad it may be a 1-12 vs 2-11 battle

Dawgfanforever88 said:I think its a really good Idea, and I can imagine that his agent has already been on the phone with kokinis And every team in the NFL minus us and the Rams if he's got a lick of sense.