@listercat said:How many folks can be hurt in one game? Why we don't put in McCoy is beyond me....no one can f-cking move I agree...how can the Browns expect Delhomme to perform on a gimpy ankle is beyond me. The guy's confidence is down as it is. The coaches must not have much confidence in McCoy.

From today's PD; some good Browns thoughts as well as a very, very salient take on his father. As the son of a parent in quite frail health it really hits home http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index....08/post_12.html

Weather you agree with his OC's 3rd down call or his prevent defense in the 4th quarter,one thing we do know Eric Mangini is what America is all about. A good person from humble beginnings who worked hard and has earned his place. His story is compelling and we all can see a little of us in Eric Mangini. I'm proud he is our coach.

I do appreciate all of the well wishes...we are home now; Libby is at the point that midnight is noon to her...ugh...Let the season begin!!!!!!!!!!!

@westside-steve said:Sounds like a good kid.WSS Absolutely. I'm sure you feel proud.

Quinn and Anderson are having a bet on who can play worse

You're a good dude - We'll miss you Lister. Sounds like a rough summer. I am sorry for that. Puts this "game" in a little more perspective, but I understand. I thought getting damn near laughed out of a bar this aftereNnoon was rouggh.

I remember playing against Kilbourne. They gave us a great game in 2004. Unfortunately, my alma mater has no sports, anymore.

WKHS v Groveport Madison at home!!! GO Lister Jr; I am very, very proud of you!!! and GO WOLVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Season kicks off this coming Friday!!!

http://www.cleveland.com/brownsbeat/index....wns_dl_sha.html Former Cleveland Browns DL Shaun Smith signs with Detroit by Mary Kay Cabot Monday August 10, 2009, 4:47 PM Plain Dealer FileShaun Smith It didn't take long for former Browns defensive lineman Shaun Smith to find work. Smith, released by the Browns on Saturday after clashing with line coach Bryan Cox on Friday, agreed to terms Monday on a one-year deal with the Detroit Lions, his agent Neil Schwartz said. He'll make $1 million with the Lions, and become a free agent after the season. "Shaun enjoyed his time in Cleveland,'' said Schwartz. "He thought the Cleveland Browns fans were incredible and wishes the Cleveland Browns organization only the best of luck.'' Smith, who visited St. Louis on Sunday, was scheduled to visit Tampa Bay after leaving Detroit, but the Lions never let him get away. He also drew some interest from the Broncos. Smith's signing may have been hastened by the season-ending injury to 11-year defensive end Jared DeVries, who ruptured his Achilles tendon in Monday morning's practice. DeVries, who was set to start at left defensive end, will undergo surgery and be placed on injured reserve for the season. Lions coach Jim Schwartz acknowledged that the team will be hard-pressed to replace DeVries. "It's one thing replacing the physical talent of somebody," Schwartz told the Detroit News. "It's another thing replacing the heart and soul of what you're all about. And Jared is that way -- he's one of the toughest guys in the locker room, he's got a lot of experience, he's paid a lot of dues with this club. And he needs to see some reward for it. That's the thing that's most disappointing, is that you'd like him be able to reap the rewards, be able to experience some good times for all those tough times he's been through." Mangini gave no reason for cutting Smith, other than to say he needed to clear a roster spot. But Smith butted heads with Cox during Friday's practice and was already on thin ice with some in the organization after reportedly punching Brady Quinn in the face during a weight-room altercation in December. The Browns filled the roster spot Sunday with guard Fred Weary, a seven-year veteran of the Texans who started 43 of his 63 games at right guard. Second-year defensive lineman Ahtyba Rubin will see increased reps at backup nosetackle and in the line rotation in Smith's absence. The Browns also added former Jets Kenyon Coleman and C.J. Mosley to the line this season. Schwartz told the Detroit News Monday that Smith's "talent fits us. I think it was important to get to know him a little bit and him get to know us."

Yohan Pino is now 2-0 in his two starts for Columbus, going 14 innings and giving up 12 hits, 2 walks, and striking out 14. For the year he's at 9-3 with a 2.83 ERA, batters are hitting .232 off him and he's struck out 122 in 127 innings. Something for nothing indeed. Made even better when you consider what we're paying for, here's Cousineau from the DiaTribe... As for the trade of Pavano (which I would have been more upset had they kept him), chew on these numbers that may not be exactly accurate, but are going to be close enough that it should erase any question as to whether Pavano should have been moved and in short order: Pavano’s Base Salary Indians – $1M in base salary Twins – $500K in base salary Both the Indians and Twins were at the 2/3 mark of their season at 108 games when the trade was made and Pavano’s base salary was $1.5M. Before looking at his incentives , know that Pavano had 21 starts, 125 1/3 IP when the trade was made with 10 likely starts, if he’s on a 5-man schedule for the rest of the season. Let’s put the conservative numbers of 9 more starts and 45 more IP (only 5 IP per start). Pavano’s Incentives Indians – $100K for his 18th start, $100K for his 20th start Twins – $100K for his 22nd start, $200K for his 24th start, $200K for his 26th start, $200 K for his 28th start, $250K for his 30th start; $100K for 130th IP, $100K for 140th IP, $100K for 150th IP, $150K for 160th IP, $150K for 170th IP He could hit more incentives, earning $300K for a 32nd start, $350K each for a 33rd and 34th start, and $400K for a 35th start with inning incentives coming in at $200k for his 180th IP, $250K each for his 190, 200, and 210th IP, $300K for his 215th IP, $400K for his 225th IP, and $500K for his 235th IP. But if you’re talking about reasonably expected results, here are the projected totals: Indians – $1.2M Twins – $1.85M If Pavano was going to hit those incentives, in what world does paying Pavano close to $2M for the rest of the season make sense? http://clevelandtribeblog.blogspot.com/200...h-new-plan.html

I was waiting to see that yearly thread over the weekend, but Ill give it a few days. Still got that hunch??????? G/L

To any and all that have laid their life on the line for my and everyone else's freedom my deepest thanks and gratitude for your service. I can't put into words my appreciation. God bless you and the rest of those who are still serving.

@kosar_for_president said: That's a solid photoshop job. Too bad they forgot the spine. Either that or Chavez was right and the sulfur on Bush's fingers melted the ink of the "r" in America.

LOL @ "business cards".....why do they flick em>????

All I can say is its about time. I've been waiting with baited breath for the announcement. I'm glad we have all the coaching team in, now we gotta wait to see what they do together. Unfortunately, now we got nothing to talk about except the draft.... And that's more than a few days away.

Family is good but when you have a good family that is Great! It shows you have a great family. Thank You for sharing Lister.

God bless you, Listercat. I find it somewhat unnerving to be a passenger most of the time no matter who is driving. Luckily for me, my older son was and still is a student of cars and driving. For his current job he needed a CDL so he can take big trucks to the U.P. of Michigan to drive them on ice during winter test. In his spare time, he helps engineer parts for a friend of his who races BMW's. Even so, when he first learned to drive, he was not allowed to have ANY passengers or listen to the radio for the first few weeks after he started driving. There were also roads he wasn't allowed on because of various dangers. No phone while driving either. I very quickly relaxed some of the restrictions, but I ran a tight ship until I felt comfortable that he would be reasonably safe. As far as I was concerned, there was only one issue: Keep mom and dad from worrying. Any teenager who can do that will be a happy teenager and a driving teenager. A driver's license and car keys are bestowed by parents and can be revoked by parents with no notice. (Said with a smile, that doesn't sound nearly as awful.) I remember that when I first started driving I thought I knew how to get places but didn't really know the precise route. My kids discovered the same thing. So I spent a little time going over how to get places they wanted to go ... things like where to turn, what lane to be in, how to navigate the parking structure at the mall, etc. I also let the kids know the local driving culture. My son tells me that in Pittsburgh, drivers are likely to turn left in front of you when the light changes. Even though it's technically illegal, it's accepted practice there at certain spots. Here there are certain parts of town where drivers do goofy things. Also if you turn right where it says "no right turn on red" it's a four point moving violation. Teaching a kid to drive takes a while and involves several stages. I don't remember my younger son learning to drive at all. I must have blocked it out.

Merry Christmas to all the Browns fans who know that next year will be better, and also merry Christmas to the ones who will be surprised with a great year next season.