Zombo said: The rooster came first ... then he smoked a cig while the chicken made him a sandwich. The Browns fans came first to the The Browns Board ... then the neediest, most insecure, of the Steeler fans came here to troll. They feel it's their job. Kinda like that sandwich-making hen. Zombo this. i hear these crybaby pittsburgh fans always whining that all browns fans do on this board is hate on the steelers. well, i just scrolled back to page 10 to see exactly how many pittsburgh threads were started by browns fans just to test their claim. out of all the threads there were in the last 10 pages alone, there were 5 that i saw and out of those 5, one was started by a steeler fan. out of the four that were started by a browns fan, two of them were "hate" threads. the other two were more so posting of articles or topics started elsewhere. my point is that this whole thing is being blown out of proportion and as you said, it wouldn't go on as much as it does if it weren't for the steeler fan police squad who seem obsessed with arguing with anything anti-steelers on this cleveland browns board. these guys have ocd in the worst way. i'm on record for saying some of the comments made by some browns fans in these alleged threads are immature or just comments made out of anger from steeler fans constantly ragging our team and telling us what we already know. but why continue to argue like this with browns fans on a browns board? how much sense does one have to join a rivals board and lash out when someone rips on your team? sensitive much? the rooneys paying you for the time logged in defending their team? if your skin is that thin, go to cleveland.com or clevelandbrowns.com and just read articles to get your info. i do just fine with collecting info on the browns afcn rivals without having to go to or engage into arguements with ravens, bengals and steeler fans on their boards. it's not my style and arguing like that is lame as hell.

Yeah but he is funny. Big difference.

If it's true that Fisher is leaving then it makes sense that Mangini would be interested in the Head Coaching position.... I didn't think he would want to take on a coordinators role so quickly after being the main man for the past 5 years... Peace T.Dawg

Did anyone notice that Hands of Stone Braylon Edwards has actually made at least 3-4 big catches during the playoffs without dropping the ball? And that he made a beast of a run after the catch to score that TD vs. the Pats. That is the kind of guy the Browns envisioned when they drafted him. Perhaps he is actually starting to mature. Gip **************************************** I don't thinks it's maturity, because his dropped passes with the Browns, certainly seemed like he was dropping them on purpose. He had given up on the Browns, never really cared, had a poor work ethic, and ended up blaming the fans for not liking him because he was from Michigan. I wish the Browns had traded him to Carolina. @@

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin'...Redirected=true It never fails.

@hoss said:You are completely and utterly full of shit, dude. We had Butch Davis here for how long? We had RAC here for how long? Yeah look it up - 4 years a piece. So AFTER we let them build their team and gave them 2 years to do it, they began to suck, the team sucked, and the future looked gloomy. Holmgren comes in, takes a look at the staff Mangini has here and decides that the Mangini way is not the way Holmgren builds a winner. Now forgive me but what track record does Mangini have to go on? And what track record does Holmgren have to go on? Yeah that's right. Holmgren has turned around 2 franchises and taken both to the Super Bowl. 2 years my ass. We gave coaches time and they kept screwing it up. For once we decided to hire a guy who knows the NFL, and his decision was to move on after 12 months of observing Eric Mangini and how his staff prepares the team. It should not take 4 years to determine if the team is going in the right direction. Holmgren was hired to make the determination BEFORE we got to the end of the road with Mangini. But sure by all means, you're right. We don't give coaches 4 years around here. hey hoss: DING FRIES ARE DONE. now go get your shine box. you are my ultimate source of football knowledge. top of the list when this FAILS. little joe is gettin xxxxed in the ass and the ponderosa is on fire. dope.

@bringbackbrownie2 said:The fans of the Cleveland Browns thank you choosing to post on the The Browns Board in lieu of other team's boards. Your support of Cleveland and this board is appreciated. Go Browns! LOL !! Kinda like Sticking your Heads in the Sand !

Hillis-iz-Boss said:Agreeing Oh ok lol... I wasn't sure. Go Caps!

Hillis-iz-Boss said:The only problem with our defense is our run defense. Ranks top ten in previously name areas of total points, red zone, and turnovers before this week and we were also ranks 13th is pass defense. the only real blemish on our defense is our rush which is ranked 26th. You people just don't give a shit and fail to realize that we only have 4 people who are decent against the run and two are on ir (Fujita and Smith, the two healthy guys are Rubin and Roth). We don't have the talent but of course it's the coaches fault. Makes sense. The same people who are saying Ryan sucks are the same people who were signing his praises after the Saints game and the Patriots game. There the same people turning on Colt now and always the first to call for a coaching change. They are the people who drag down this franchise. Prior to the last two games which I think were give-up games, my biggest disappointents with the defense were the lack of tackling at the end of the Jets and Jacksonville games. Had we made those tackles we likely win those two and I think the games from then on might have gone differently. If people's posts on this board "drag down this franchise" , I'm just curious what you think those missed tackles did to the franchise? Do you really think Lerner and Holmgren are reading with us right now?

@shepwrite said:Kosar said the wind clearly affected McCoy and held up his passes. Interesting that Bernie didn't have a gun but managed to make it work... hope he has some tips for Colt, who he thinks very highly of. He thinks highly of him? I remember hearing an interview with him after the Steelers game and he didn't seem super high on the kid. Maybe he won Bernie over.

mikeyP72 said:Some like getting drunk and killing people with their car. There's more drama in the NFL nowadays than football. Thats the best thing about being a browns fan, the drama never ends.../sigh.. Foot fetish! Muhahahaha! for each his own it means nothing to me but the fact it became public and seems to mean something to some people is funny..

@atenears said:I believe these list are a good year behind. When compiled based on the 2009 season, they are using 2008 figures and so-on. Give it a year, I bet this improves with the expensive malcontents we've shown the door. Correct, it is hard to show historical #'s other than the previous year. Cleveland looks to be in OK position for now. The ones in the most trouble are Oakland and Detroit. They are at the bottom of the revenue and operating income columns. Jacksonville is tanking too as of last year.

This is Retarded... Delhome Sucks!!!

St. Clair was getting dominated all game. Not all the sacks were his fault, but he mad a bunch of average/good Jags defenders look like all pros. Our run game couldn't get moving. Losing Cribbs really allowed the Jags to focus 100% on Hillis since we have no other threats. How about Robiskie dropping the easiest slant pass he'll ever see in the NFL?

Metcalf_FTW said:I assume you are a Colt McCoy fan. I believe all of his INT's have been batted by the receiver before being picked. That being said, it was a STUPID decision by the rookie on the last play of the game today. With no timeouts left and less than 15 seconds, I believe, you have to throw in the endzone! If there is an incompletion in the endzone you still have another shot. Even if that pass was caught by Ben Watson he was about to be drilled at the 5-yard line and time would have expired. Bad rookie decision. Colt has looked good and bad. Today was his worst game by far. Held onto the ball way too long and missed on a couple throws like the 3rd down slant to Robiskie early on and the deep ball to Massaquoi that was almost picked on our first drive. The kid is a gamer, though. Nice scramble to set up the Dawson FG. I am a Colt fan, but I would disagree this was his worse game. In general, I think he came through when he had to. He did hold on to the ball too long a few times, but overall I thought he played well given the pressure and the sacks. I agree with your overthrow comment too. I also disagree that all plays have to go into the end zone. A big TE can often drag a defender 5 yards into the end zone, especially if that's what was open. Before today Watson had a YAC average of 4.8 yards. I also thought burning all 3 timeouts was a mistake. We should have held onto one and we should have let them score on their first attempt from the 1. Those 20-30 more seconds would have made a big difference.

Browns motto: " just wait until next year dammit. " @speedyd900rr said:I hate to be the one to say it but... Next year.

suh is probably having the best year out of all the rookies i cant say that i would put jahvid best or any rookie running back in the rookie of the year discussion because the saints UDFA running back Chris ivory leads all rookies in rushing and thats not saying a lot bradford, suh, dez bryant, and mike williams all deserve consideration and id be more than content to see suh win it seeing as how he has helped turn around one of the worst defensive lines in the entire NFL

@longhorn said:Sorry, I must have missed it. It's ok just doing my job

Formerly Stone said:Slow down there young fella. Your front office, while vastly improved, is still completely unproven. Even the great teams are not assured of future Super Bowl appearances. The Front office has to get an A+ for the first year though. The draft looks solid- if not for Suh in Detroit, TJ Ward would get serious consideration for Defensive Rookie of the Year. Hayden looks solid, and before he got hurt Lavauo look OK at guard. I'm not about to coronate McCoy just yet, but he sure looks better than the departed Anderception and Quinn- which has been pointed out elsewhere we robbed the Broncos to get Hillis. So a few more years of that sort of progress, and yeah- the promised land of the Super Bowl may well be within reach. And you're right- sometimes you need more than a great team to win (or get to) the Super Bowl. Just ask the Colts- or those very good Kosar teams of the 80's.

IMO colt has earned the right to start, the players obviously believe in him and dabolls playcalling works well with him and the fans love him, he manages games extraordinarily well for a rookie and today proved he can not only manage but play as well... If it looks like a starter, plays like a starter, leads like a starter and is loved like a starter then McCoy should be the starter!