@osu-kid said: With the trade and all the QB talk where does Tim Couch rank as an all time Browns QB? Top 5? Outside of Otto Graham, Sipe and Kosar I guess he would be up there. I don't know much about Frank Ryan and Vinny was marginal during his tenure here. Thoughts? Were u listening to the common man? Lol

Maybe it is Karma....or the stench of the Modell/Lerner Conspiracy. We have had bad ownership, bad management, bad coaching, bad playing. Does that explain it for you? The hope and desire is that a New Age will be coming.

@the-cysko-kid said: Yes but all paling next to burj khalifa which is really an amazing structure Yes, but, the Burj Khalifa will not be properly baptized until they make a remake with King Kong trying to climb it. (Tom Cruise don't count.)

@wj-brownfan said: The "Fire" is only an issue when the team is losing. The play calling, however, is just terrible. I mean really. The first down, off-set I is sooooo predictable it is almost a guaranteed loss of yards, and yet Shurmur continues to run it, with no variations. Plus, the 5 yard outs when they need 8 or 10 is just mind-boggling. A smarter and more aggressive OC will be nice. +1

Rebuilding anyone? everyone acts like this is business as usual. I don't see it. since the browns came back in 99 WE HAVE NEVER TRULY AND COMPLETELY REBUILT. so of course it looks horrible. Browns have always looked like a team that is trying to fix a glass window with scotch tape. And no getting two or three playmakers wouldn't have made us that better we've tried that before. mangini was on right path with build your depth first but it wasn't done correctly and that is why he gone.

I've always said Dawson is the teams MVP. Agree with the joe thomas comment too. Cribbs will soon be past his prime as well

I agree, there are plenty of nice bars in the downtown area, but then again, I am kind of a redneck boy....the good type....as long as the beer is cold, there are a few good looking women in the place, and there are at least a few country music selections on the juke box, life is good.

as much as most of us despise the steelers........they kick our ass in all facets of the game, not only on the field but off the field in their front office. who wants to play for the browns? most players when they hit free agency look for a team that they might win a championship with and a team with stability. meaning thgey don't have learn a new system under a new coach every two years. hey lerner and holmgren, take some notes!

Formerly Sane said:That's true, change can happen in short order but not if the fans, the media, the city won't give them time to settle in to a system. And then there's the ownership that is questionable at best. The ONLY one of those that matters is ownership. Fans, media, and city don't have a chili fart's worth of influence over the matter.

Totally sucks to suck at home. To pay major league prices for a minor league performance really blows. Are we the only NFL team to play a 3-0 defense? Most play a 3-4 or 4-3.