Look, We know Mo Mass has trouble catching balls from his scouting report. We also know Royal is a blocking TE and can't catch. He had lots of dropped balls when he played with the bills before we got him. Jets fans complained about Stuckey dropping balls before he came here. Harrison has 3 drops because he's not a WR. And finally, Anderson doesn't know how to throw a short pass without putting a rocket on it. Anderson struggles with accuracy. Our receivers cant catch, and our QB throws too hard and too inaccurately. That about sums up our situation. Maybe Furrey and Robiski can save us.

David Harris of the Jets didn't get a chance until about this point in the 2007 season and when he did get his chance after Vilma went down he dominated. Should have been defensive rookie of the year. Of course, Harris was a 1st round grade and Veikune a different story and I'm surprised they drafted him when they did. Hindsight is 20/20 and they might have been able to draft the same guys they did minus Veikune and plus RayM, knowing espeically that he's packaged more for inside... then again, Veikune could surprise and he did play tough in college.

I thought we already got rid of Syndric Steptoe. He never should have been here in the first place

Here's my thoughts........build a team then go get a QB. It's not going to matter who the QB is. Just build a team.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:Wow....the more I look at the draft of BB in his first year at NE, the more I think of how AWFUL it was. If not for an injury to Bledsoe....Brady would likely never have seen the field...and the ONLY player that BB would have ended up with for more than 4 years would have been a ST's guy!!! Compare that to what we have here this year in Mangini's first draft. Guaranteed Starters: Mack MoMass Probably Starters: Veikune Robiskie Davis Special Teams Guy: Maiava Am I forgetting anyone? Coye Frances!

WPB, I always say it but I love your posts, they make me feel good and I like feeling good. There's a lot of sense in what you say and the last statements about who we have played and where they are says alot too. I think we win another four of these games coming up, starting with Shittsburgh this weekend, then Detroit, then KC and Oakland. The bonus win will be SD, coz I am in attendence and they better give me more than two freaking field goals like last year. Keep it up, you are my side effects free happy pill of choice. Howie.

@chip-banks said:He better. Miami rolled up 250 yards rushing on the Bills last week. They are absent their best LBer and both starting safeties. We need to show that we can run the ball effectively and then go over the top. If we can run the ball, this game sets up pretty nice. Mack had a pretty nice game last week. If he continues to improve and we get Hadnot back, this running game might pick up. You're using the team that introduced, and perfected the W-cat to the NFL as the benchmark? Miami puts 250 on the ground on every one. Ronnie Brown is one of the most dangerous RB's in the game. And he can throw ropes if he needs to. As for Ricky Williams (sing to the Afro-man tune: b/c I got high), "I was gonna be the next Emmitt Smith, but then I got high. I couldn't keep my face off a spliff, because I was high. Now I'm in Miami and I know why (yeah yeah) because I got high, because I got high, because I got high." And after all of that, he can still run the rock. I'm not going to get into the Cribbs @ RB situation, but Miami runs all over everyone.

Im looking forward to our rookies finally taking to the field...the new era is finally dawning and hopefully a superstar or two will emerge over time..the only regrets at this time are i wish we had a promising rookie under center instead of mr.anderception,brady whenn and ratface the horrid...

I don't think any of the other guys on the 40 list that was shared had a dad as a NFL wide receivers coach either. He has to be craftier than most of them by osmosis alone Then why has he not played? Hell, I'm not Mangini, ask him.

I am in the process of getting the week 5 stats posted...but in the meantime, just know that the Browns Offense DROPPED from 26 to 31 (only Oakland being worse). The RUSH offense comes in at #14, but the PASS offense comes in at #31. The Browns Defense CLIMBED from 32 to 29 (ahead of Oak/KC/Hou) and right on the tail of Ari/StL/SD. The RUSH defense is at #31, the PASS defense is at #11.

I know it goes without saying but Pointbriand still gets an A+.

@danamal said:John I really do respect your dedication to statistics and numbers but can you work on one where we dont suck so bad? Kinda like this I have to say...that is one of the funniest scenes. Always loved it!!!

http://cnettv.cnet.com/ambigiously-gay-duo...-1_53-7525.html

@wpb-dawg-fan said:Well, we all know that he didn't have one last week in 2 Quarters of work (and the preseason, but who counts that???)....but looking back to 2008 you will find this: DA has not had a TD pass in his LAST 11 QUARTERS of football (last TD was vs Baltimore, wk 9, 3rd Q) DA has had 5 INT's since his last TD. The BROWNS have not scored a RUSHING TD with DA at QB in the same period of time. So, if you compare DA's last 10 quarters vs BQ's 10 quarters this year: DA: 32/59, 54.2%, 253 yds, 4.3 y/a, 0 TD's, 4 INT's BQ: 45/74, 60.8%, 400 yds, 5.4 y/a, 1 TD, 3 INT's The Browns have scored 15 points in DA's 10 quarters The Browns have scored 26 points in BQ's 10 quarters It is what it is...I just hope DA can turn that around. Epic post man, well put Best proof yet

@drunkandstoopid said:First of all... Odds are very good that Mangini threw DA into the game to MAKE THOSE THROWS. If DA went out there on his own and decided to screw with the gameplan, do you think Mangini would be starting him this week? He'd probably be on the bench with a 1700 buck fine for every bad throw he decided to make. Come on no D&S, no HC goes to his QB and says "throw balls into triple coverage" or "throw the ball into the hands of the other team". Did they send him out there ask him to pass heavily, sure I fully buy into that. But the notion that the HC/OC told DA to make throws he has no business making is just silly.

I like Lewis on our team, in the locker room and occasionally on the field (not ready to give up on him yet). But I like that Harrison is going to get another shot. He's gonna have a tough day with 8 in the box & 2 deep, but let's see what he can do. Dawson is a huge loss. We need Dawson on the field.

John, your theory seems nutty on its face but so did the idea of pulling Quinn after 10 quarters. All bets are off at this point. To your overall point, I think it's true that Mangini really doesn't care about any player's feelings. I think he wants production and he will play the player that gives him the most. So, though I doubt he will yo-yo the QBs based on matchup, as you suggest, I don't doubt at all that he would yo-yo them based on performance. His handling of Quinn has made it abundantly clear that all he cares about is results.

@jadbf said:WOW except for maybe Mangini, I'm not sure that list of 'experts' is one I'd want to align myself with...... Not to mention Dilfer has backed off that. He was just saying in an article that Chuds O fit Quinn better and this O fits DA better. But both are good QBs who are beind done a disservice. So how about Gruden saying Quinn is good, Jaws, and Steve Young saying it as well?

Just for some clarification on what it takes to be a bandwagon fan....the first and foremost requirement is that you had to START cheering for that team WHILE THEY WERE ON TOP!!! A little history will tell you that the term came from politics. When an election was over, the winner would have a parade to announce himself to the public. In that parade, they would have a band....and it would be on a wagon (bandwagon). The newly elected official would ride ON that bandwagon. And all the people who wanted to be identified with the WINNER would clamor to be on the bandwagon so they could gloat that their man won. Hence, if you like a team not of your home area (or not from a family history) that you started liking while they WERE NOT the best or one of the best...then you by default ARE NOT a bandwagon fan. That is why I listed the teams most likely to HAVE bandwagon fans...to point out the ones that have had an extended period of WINNING without losing periods that would appeal to the bandwagon fan.

Ill bet nobody behind the line missed Womack.