Cardinals release WR DeAndre Hopkins
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While the league has been "win now" there's always been teams like the Browns, Jets, Texans, Lions and even the Bears that haven't had great ownerships and FOs to be up to the challenge of winning now. How many more episodes of the sequel do we need to watch to understand this? Isn't this why AB ended up in "save my ass'" mode whether it's fair or not? With his ass on the line - he's leaning heavily on veterans that have been developed on other teams as we've seen in trades and FA acquisitions. If someone here had the balls to DRAFT Watson or even Patrick Mahomes when the Browns had the 1st pick overall with a 1-15 record 1 year before they went passive aggressive for Baker Mayfield at #1 overall - we wouldn't have needed to give up so many 1st round picks and the salary would have had the rookie salary cap restriction on the 1st contract. No guts - no glory. Unfortunately for AB - he inherited that situation. This off season seemed like the 1st time our collective group on this board seamed really happy with his off-season efforts and we all seemed pretty happy with how AB drafted this year. Ironically, when AB and Stefanski had their least pressure to "win now" they went 11-5 in their 1st year together with a playoff win. Their winning percentages decreased in each season thereafter. With all of the money $ spent on veterans the last 2 years - we're at a "win now" or the FO and/or the Head Coach are gone. I can't lie though - I like their effort this year.
It's very realistic to expect the coaching staff to develop young players for the NFL game whether they're projected to start immediately or within a year or 2 (and in years past - even longer). We've had a undrafted guy that played some really good LT for us on the last playoff team we had in the 90s. He joined the team in 1988 out of Western Carolina, started at RT in 1990 and switched to LT in 1991 where he stayed until the team moved. He became a fan favorite here. At 1 point, his OL coach here was Kirk Ferentz. The same guy that became the HC for the Iowa Hawkeyes in the Big 10 and won consistently in spite of the recruiting attraction of cornfields and farm land. Anyway, Tony Jones ended up starting at LT for the Super Champion Denver Broncos. Meanwhile, we Orland Brown Sr (Zeus) was also and undrafted OT that finished the final 7 games on our 94 playoff team as the starting RT. Both Tackles were undrafted. While I agree today's game expedites the need to have them ready quicker - it's not like there's always an obvious LT ready to dominate like Joe Thomas falling on our lap at #3 overall. Our current LT (drafted at #10 overall) who played RT at Alabama - is lucky to have one of the best OL coaches in the league. However, he's still struggling so his development is ongoing.
We both agree experience is very important. Wyatt Teller only started the last 7 games of his 1st year filling in at LG in Buffalo because the starter went on IR. When that starter was projected to get his starting job back the next season - guess who became available to the Browns? Wyatt Teller who would end up moving to RG and fill our biggest weakness at the time. The same Austin Corbett that Cleveland drafted at #33 overall (before drafting Nick Chubb a few slots later) wasn't the emerge quickly kind of guy the Browns expected him to be. Consequently he left here with a lot of criticism from the fanbase fair or not. He went to another team before going to the LA Rams and starting at RG for the Super Bowl Champions. The more experience and development he got - the more he was ready for such a role. Having said that, I don't think he's even with the Rams any more.
Do I need to remind anyone what injury volumes have done to some of our teams that looked good on paper before training camp in the past? Young guys need to be ready at all times.... This is Cleveland so giddy up and get after it if your number is called!!!
So you are going to go back 30 years to talk about tony jones? You are forgetting a lot of guys before and since.
Playing is how guys develop...and some guys don't develop because they aren't all that good..
Heck, in some ways Wills has gone back in his play. So much for the OL coach making him better.
So you are going to go back 30 years to talk about tony jones? You are forgetting a lot of guys before and since.
Playing is how guys develop...and some guys don't develop because they aren't all that good..
Heck, in some ways Wills has gone back in his play. So much for the OL coach making him better.
Now for your 2nd points above. Have you ever participated in an Okie Drill or even seen one? You play when you practice and you'd know that if you ever played. On all levels, you prove yourself worthy of starting or situational reps in practice first before you can be trusted in a game. Then you have scrimmages and preseason games.
Are you really blaming the Oline Coach for the lack of passion Wills plays with? Seems to me guys like Pocic, Teller, Bitonio and Conklin (who's played through injuries) all play with enough passion to make coaches, teammates and fans confident in them. @tiamat63 and me looked at some film of Wills a couple months ago. We looked at a 3rd year guy that couldn't even get in a good stance on a consistent basis. ANY Offensive Lineman that wants to succeed gets this down first or he's going to run into a lot of trouble with his base and footwork. This impacts his positioning, balance and if he's vulnerable to over extension. When I played and then later coached at the high school level, we spent a lot of time on stances and starts. Football is all about getting there 1st especially on the OL. Having said that, you also have to do this with an ideal pad height and good base.
We agree experience is important for however long that'll last...
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So you are going to go back 30 years to talk about tony jones? You are forgetting a lot of guys before and since.
Playing is how guys develop...and some guys don't develop because they aren't all that good..
Heck, in some ways Wills has gone back in his play. So much for the OL coach making him better.
Now for your 2nd points above. Have you ever participated in an Okie Drill or even seen one? You play when you practice and you'd know that if you ever played. On all levels, you prove yourself worthy of starting or situational reps in practice first before you can be trusted in a game. Then you have scrimmages and preseason games.
Are you really blaming the Oline Coach for the lack of passion Wills plays with? Seems to me guys like Pocic, Teller, Bitonio and Conklin (who's played through injuries) all play with enough passion to make coaches, teammates and fans confident in them. @tiamat63 and me looked at some film of Wills a couple months ago. We looked at a 3rd year guy that couldn't even get in a good stance on a consistent basis. ANY Offensive Lineman that wants to succeed gets this down first or he's going to run into a lot of trouble with his base and footwork. This impacts his positioning, balance and if he's vulnerable to over extension. When I played and then later coached at the high school level, we spent a lot of time on stances and starts. Football is all about getting there 1st especially on the OL. Having said that, you also have to do this with an ideal pad height and good base.
We agree experience is important for however long that'll last...
Now for your 2nd points above. Have you ever participated in an Okie Drill or even seen one? You play when you practice and you'd know that if you ever played. On all levels, you prove yourself worthy of starting or situational reps in practice first before you can be trusted in a game. Then you have scrimmages and preseason games.
Are you really blaming the Oline Coach for the lack of passion Wills plays with? Seems to me guys like Pocic, Teller, Bitonio and Conklin (who's played through injuries) all play with enough passion to make coaches, teammates and fans confident in them. @tiamat63 and me looked at some film of Wills a couple months ago. We looked at a 3rd year guy that couldn't even get in a good stance on a consistent basis. ANY Offensive Lineman that wants to succeed gets this down first or he's going to run into a lot of trouble with his base and footwork. This impacts his positioning, balance and if he's vulnerable to over extension. When I played and then later coached at the high school level, we spent a lot of time on stances and starts. Football is all about getting there 1st especially on the OL. Having said that, you also have to do this with an ideal pad height and good base.
We agree experience is important for however long that'll last...
Yes,I have.
You make my point. Those guys don't get to play. Running in an Okie, hamburger, or what ever name you want to use isn't playing. Practice isn't playing. That is why I say the NFL doesn't develop players. They plug and play players.
Some may not play year one...but the benefit of that year is mostly going through the NFL routine. So in that respect it is development.
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Now for your 2nd points above. Have you ever participated in an Okie Drill or even seen one? You play when you practice and you'd know that if you ever played. On all levels, you prove yourself worthy of starting or situational reps in practice first before you can be trusted in a game. Then you have scrimmages and preseason games.
Are you really blaming the Oline Coach for the lack of passion Wills plays with? Seems to me guys like Pocic, Teller, Bitonio and Conklin (who's played through injuries) all play with enough passion to make coaches, teammates and fans confident in them. @tiamat63 and me looked at some film of Wills a couple months ago. We looked at a 3rd year guy that couldn't even get in a good stance on a consistent basis. ANY Offensive Lineman that wants to succeed gets this down first or he's going to run into a lot of trouble with his base and footwork. This impacts his positioning, balance and if he's vulnerable to over extension. When I played and then later coached at the high school level, we spent a lot of time on stances and starts. Football is all about getting there 1st especially on the OL. Having said that, you also have to do this with an ideal pad height and good base.
We agree experience is important for however long that'll last...
Yes,I have.
You make my point. Those guys don't get to play. Running in an Okie, hamburger, or what ever name you want to use isn't playing. Practice isn't playing. That is why I say the NFL doesn't develop players. They plug and play players.
Some may not play year one...but the benefit of that year is mostly going through the NFL routine. So in that respect it is development.
Yes,I have.
You make my point. Those guys don't get to play. Running in an Okie, hamburger, or what ever name you want to use isn't playing. Practice isn't playing. That is why I say the NFL doesn't develop players. They plug and play players.
Some may not play year one...but the benefit of that year is mostly going through the NFL routine. So in that respect it is development.
Okay. Here's a video that sums up our time together in this conversation:
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
haahah you so funny. maybe some day you will come up with something new
And maybe one day you'll find courage and quit drinking... But somehow.. I doubt it
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Yes,I have.
You make my point. Those guys don't get to play. Running in an Okie, hamburger, or what ever name you want to use isn't playing. Practice isn't playing. That is why I say the NFL doesn't develop players. They plug and play players.
Some may not play year one...but the benefit of that year is mostly going through the NFL routine. So in that respect it is development.
Okay. Here's a video that sums up our time together in this conversation:
Okay. Here's a video that sums up our time together in this conversation:
Apparently "spare time" is quite the thing around here. LOL!?
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Back to the topic at hand.
Outkick posted some odds courtesy of Draftkings Sportsbook?:
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I'm thinking D Hop is looking for a payday, not a contender, or he'd be signed by now.
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I'm thinking D Hop is looking for a payday, not a contender, or he'd be signed by now.
And we don't need to be giving some dude in his twilight a payday...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
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I'm thinking D Hop is looking for a payday, not a contender, or he'd be signed by now.
I bet he doesn't want to contend with TC.....and waits a while. ( IOW, he's gonna sign with someone tomorrow )
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
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I bet he doesn't want to contend with TC.....and waits a while. ( IOW, he's gonna sign with someone tomorrow )
I can see this... ^^ but,
the sun will rise on a Friday where the Nfl likes to steal the weekend headlines..
The Browns will also wake-up with over 13M in cap space.. I'd still like to fill 2 bigger needs...
a) The Chargers told veteran LB/DE Kyle Van Noy to stop the run as a FA with a new team..
b) Jim Schwartz knows FA DT N. Suh or* Panthers DT FA Matt Ioannidis is age 29
I'm thinking Suh & Van Noy improves 2 bigger needs getting both under 13M.. have at it..here's a FA list
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
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I bet he doesn't want to contend with TC.....and waits a while. ( IOW, he's gonna sign with someone tomorrow )
I can see this... ^^ but,
the sun will rise on a Friday where the Nfl likes to steal the weekend headlines..
The Browns will also wake-up with over 13M in cap space.. I'd still like to fill 2 bigger needs...
a) The Chargers told veteran LB/DE Kyle Van Noy to stop the run as a FA with a new team..
b) Jim Schwartz knows FA DT N. Suh or* Panthers DT FA Matt Ioannidis is age 29
I'm thinking Suh & Van Noy improves 2 bigger needs getting both under 13M.. have at it..here's a FA list
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I was kinda' thinking that we're done with big player signings....but we'll see if the money is burning a hole in someone's pocket.
I've seen projections that the Browns will start over the cap, by over -61 million $ in 2024.. 31st of 32 teams
Deal Andrew Berry ?
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click 2024 FA's https://overthecap.com/free-agency/cleveland-brown
click 2024 team cap https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
I was kinda' thinking that we're done with big player signings....but we'll see if the money is burning a hole in someone's pocket.
I've seen projections that the Browns will start over the cap, by over -61 million $ in 2024.. 31st of 32 teams
Deal Andrew Berry ?
edit----
click 2024 FA's https://overthecap.com/free-agency/cleveland-brown
click 2024 team cap https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space
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