The Official Preseason Browns at Panthers Game Thread
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Did Mary Kay actually use the word “Legendary” on a preseason performance? ??
I can't stand that qunt!
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he sure is a angry little racist isn't he
Racism don't have a damn thing to do with it.. She's a hack reporter and a mouthpiece for the Browns... Her and Tony Grossi are an embarrassment... They have been such since the 80's... Bill Livingston and Bob Kravitz were just as bad in the late 70's through a better part of the 80's.. When they were writers for The Plain Dealer.. They were never the quality of someone like Rick Tellander (Chicago Tribune) or Frank DeFord (Washington Post) or even Bob Ryan (Boston Globe) who could be annoying at times... For me... The best Sportswriters in Cleveland were Bob August, Joe Menzer(Cavs) And the late great Hal Lebovitz.. All three of them had class.. And weren't wrapped into the latest sound bites or carried an agenda... They reported the facts regardless of whatever party affiliation they may have had.. Most of the Cleveland Media for the last 30 years have been a bunch of germs...
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I hope Floreia makes the team despite his hamstring injury.
Yeah, nice catch. But of the midget receivers I was more impressed with that Gage guy, Larvadain #84. He did the better job with the punts.
It's kinda' sad that the media is what it has become. Click bait and hype. It's a competition. Everyone has to overblow everything. They have to get people to read THEIR stuff....and to get people to quote THEM and THEIR thoughts. Now a coach can tell his team to 'block out the noise' all he wants...but he can't take their phones away from them. They're all walking around with the 'noise' in their pockets.
Hopefully Sanders stays grounded. He did some good things out there. But he's got plenty to work on. And Gabriel is going to get his shots at staying ahead of him on the depth chart.
I'm glad that the team had some success in their first pre season game. But it IS just pre season. And they were playing the backups for a team who's starters weren't that good last year.
It's kinda' sad that the media is what it has become. Click bait and hype..... He did some good things out there. But he's got plenty to work on.
“This Sanders story has just turned into a huger joke. The media is just not capable of an objective intelligent analysis. He did a few things pretty well and a few things not so well. Didn’t do bad and was ok overall. Some of the The headlines are a joke,” Banner posted on X. - Joe Banner
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Or maybe the draft changed their plan. I don't think we ever thought Sanders would still be there in round 5. At that point he was worth any of the extra baggage, perceived or real. The 5th round is at that point where it is pretty easy to wash your hands and cut a player.
Some people are going to moan about cutting any drafted player but cutting a 5th rounder isn't going to cause any real backlash.
The flip side to this is a whole lot of people are going to be pissed if anybody else gets any kind of rep at QB. Sanders looked good, but it's way early to sell out and go all in.
One meaningless preseason game against the 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't tell the whole story.. While he looked good.. He still needs work on some things... Let the chips fall where they may...
One meaningless preseason game against the 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't tell the whole story.. While he looked good.. He still needs work on some things... Let the chips fall where they may...
No disagreement. I don't think I ever stated Sanders was some sort of lock.
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Two peas in a pod. YOu don't think Mr. Analytics has anything to do with player selection? Go watch the movie Moneyball then. That was him and players selected & kept seemed to be quite a bit of it.
Go watch the movie Moneyball? Seriously?
Sorry man, that wasn't a documentary.
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Two peas in a pod. YOu don't think Mr. Analytics has anything to do with player selection? Go watch the movie Moneyball then. That was him and players selected & kept seemed to be quite a bit of it.
Go watch the movie Moneyball? Seriously?
Sorry man, that wasn't a documentary.
Go watch the movie Moneyball? Seriously?
Sorry man, that wasn't a documentary.
OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
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It was an ok debut by Sanders. Some good and some bad, but there wasn’t a whole lot of completely awful. No Ints and only 1 sack.
I was at Blossom last night taking in a concert, so I couldn’t watch the game.
I just finished watching the replay on NFL Network, and I agree with you.
Let’s not overreact, we’re Browns fans and we’ve seen this before in preseason.
I was at Blossom last night taking in a concert, so I couldn’t watch the game.
I just finished watching the replay on NFL Network, and I agree with you.
Let’s not overreact, we’re Browns fans and we’ve seen this before in preseason.
Good idea CD. 1 week at a time. The regular season is a whole different ball game - where opponents will be prepared with what they want to exploit as well as knowing the Browns offensive tendencies.
I don't know if many of our fans are old enough to remember the preseason heroics of Eric Zeier; but when the Browns had to use him in the regular season... He didn't look anything like the QB he was exciting people with his preseason performances.
Here's his 1st 2 years in the NFL showing the 1st season with the Browns:
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Somewhere in all this we need Cliff Clavin to deliver the inconvenient news. THIS FO wants their guy (Dillon Gabriel) to succeed and we'd by lying to ourselves if they aren't going to do all they can to make sure he looks good in the pre-season. Having said that, this is all dependent on if he's healthy enough to play. Half the the QBs here have pulled hammys? For now, I guess we should be happy Colonel Sanders was able to serve up some finger lookin good passes here and there.
As we know, there's always going to be plenty to work on as a rookie QB especially given the reality there's 3 other QB that want to start.
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Or maybe the draft changed their plan. I don't think we ever thought Sanders would still be there in round 5. At that point he was worth any of the extra baggage, perceived or real. The 5th round is at that point where it is pretty easy to wash your hands and cut a player.
Some people are going to moan about cutting any drafted player but cutting a 5th rounder isn't going to cause any real backlash.
The flip side to this is a whole lot of people are going to be pissed if anybody else gets any kind of rep at QB. Sanders looked good, but it's way early to sell out and go all in.
One meaningless preseason game against the 2nd and 3rd stringers doesn't tell the whole story.. While he looked good.. He still needs work on some things... Let the chips fall where they may...
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Schwesinger (#49) lead the team in tackles. 4 solo, 2 assists. Sanders had a 106.8 QB rating.
Schwesinger (#49) lead the team in tackles. 4 solo, 2 assists. Sanders had a 106.8 QB rating.
Schwesinger looked great. After watching him play, at one point, I realized he reminded me of Clay Mathews. Then I looked it up...Schwesinger is 6'2 1/2", 242 lbs. Clay - 6'2", 245. Both had great instincts.
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Schwesinger (#49) lead the team in tackles. 4 solo, 2 assists. Sanders had a 106.8 QB rating.
Schwesinger looked great. After watching him play, at one point, I realized he reminded me of Clay Mathews. Then I looked it up...Schwesinger is 6'2 1/2", 242 lbs. Clay - 6'2", 245. Both had great instincts.
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Go watch the movie Moneyball? Seriously?
Sorry man, that wasn't a documentary.
OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
STEFANSKI ON ANALYTICS
“You know, I’m looking for any edge we can get, and certainly, I know analytics is another buzzword out there, but we’re looking to make informed decisions,” Stefanski said. “So, as a play caller or whether (it’s) player evaluation, information is power. We like to have a lot of information that informs our decisions. Our setup that we have in meeting without guys this morning was incredible. I think we’re well on our way where we can provide impactful information to our coaches, to our personnel department that can really, again, help the product in terms of wins and losses.”
Stefanski noted how, as an offensive coordinator with the Vikings, he’d meet with those in the analytics department to go over data that could suggest when an opposing defensive coordinator is more apt to blitz. That would be more information to add into the game plan.
“I can tell you, certain decisions that you make, whether it be for protection or when to run a certain play, you have that (data) in mind,” he said, “and you have some information that was able to be gathered by compiling that data. So I just think it’s another tool when it comes to play-calling or in personnel. It’s something the Vikings did, something I know the Browns do. It just provides more information. We have so much information, we have years of it, so let’s use it to our advantage.”
DEPODESTA ON ANALYTICS
“I think people have a really warped view of maybe what analytics is. I think I may have a different perception from what everybody else has,” DePodesta said. “When I think of analytics I just think of having a sort of framework to make decisions under uncertainty. Everything we do in these jobs is really built around uncertainty and what players we’re going to take in the draft, what we’re going to call on third-and-8. I mean, it’s all uncertainty, right? So what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
DePodesta said it’s not necessarily about numbers of spreadsheets. In many ways, it’s about reinforcing what you’ve learned from other processes, such as a personality test backing up what references have told you about a potential coaching hire.
Any time I read hand ringing about "analytics" all I can think is do people know that stats are analytics.....
All using analytics are is adding objective measurements to subjective measurements in an effort to make the best/most informed decisions possible when there is a lot of unknowns.
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OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
STEFANSKI ON ANALYTICS
“You know, I’m looking for any edge we can get, and certainly, I know analytics is another buzzword out there, but we’re looking to make informed decisions,” Stefanski said. “So, as a play caller or whether (it’s) player evaluation, information is power. We like to have a lot of information that informs our decisions. Our setup that we have in meeting without guys this morning was incredible. I think we’re well on our way where we can provide impactful information to our coaches, to our personnel department that can really, again, help the product in terms of wins and losses.”
Stefanski noted how, as an offensive coordinator with the Vikings, he’d meet with those in the analytics department to go over data that could suggest when an opposing defensive coordinator is more apt to blitz. That would be more information to add into the game plan.
“I can tell you, certain decisions that you make, whether it be for protection or when to run a certain play, you have that (data) in mind,” he said, “and you have some information that was able to be gathered by compiling that data. So I just think it’s another tool when it comes to play-calling or in personnel. It’s something the Vikings did, something I know the Browns do. It just provides more information. We have so much information, we have years of it, so let’s use it to our advantage.”
DEPODESTA ON ANALYTICS
“I think people have a really warped view of maybe what analytics is. I think I may have a different perception from what everybody else has,” DePodesta said. “When I think of analytics I just think of having a sort of framework to make decisions under uncertainty. Everything we do in these jobs is really built around uncertainty and what players we’re going to take in the draft, what we’re going to call on third-and-8. I mean, it’s all uncertainty, right? So what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
DePodesta said it’s not necessarily about numbers of spreadsheets. In many ways, it’s about reinforcing what you’ve learned from other processes, such as a personality test backing up what references have told you about a potential coaching hire.
Any time I read hand ringing about "analytics" all I can think is do people know that stats are analytics.....
All using analytics are is adding objective measurements to subjective measurements in an effort to make the best/most informed decisions possible when there is a lot of unknowns.
what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
So, in other words, when your choice is 4th and 11 from the 30...and Hopkins is your kicker...then you might as well go for the 12 yard pass.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
STEFANSKI ON ANALYTICS
“You know, I’m looking for any edge we can get, and certainly, I know analytics is another buzzword out there, but we’re looking to make informed decisions,” Stefanski said. “So, as a play caller or whether (it’s) player evaluation, information is power. We like to have a lot of information that informs our decisions. Our setup that we have in meeting without guys this morning was incredible. I think we’re well on our way where we can provide impactful information to our coaches, to our personnel department that can really, again, help the product in terms of wins and losses.”
Stefanski noted how, as an offensive coordinator with the Vikings, he’d meet with those in the analytics department to go over data that could suggest when an opposing defensive coordinator is more apt to blitz. That would be more information to add into the game plan.
“I can tell you, certain decisions that you make, whether it be for protection or when to run a certain play, you have that (data) in mind,” he said, “and you have some information that was able to be gathered by compiling that data. So I just think it’s another tool when it comes to play-calling or in personnel. It’s something the Vikings did, something I know the Browns do. It just provides more information. We have so much information, we have years of it, so let’s use it to our advantage.”
DEPODESTA ON ANALYTICS
“I think people have a really warped view of maybe what analytics is. I think I may have a different perception from what everybody else has,” DePodesta said. “When I think of analytics I just think of having a sort of framework to make decisions under uncertainty. Everything we do in these jobs is really built around uncertainty and what players we’re going to take in the draft, what we’re going to call on third-and-8. I mean, it’s all uncertainty, right? So what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
DePodesta said it’s not necessarily about numbers of spreadsheets. In many ways, it’s about reinforcing what you’ve learned from other processes, such as a personality test backing up what references have told you about a potential coaching hire.
Any time I read hand ringing about "analytics" all I can think is do people know that stats are analytics.....
All using analytics are is adding objective measurements to subjective measurements in an effort to make the best/most informed decisions possible when there is a lot of unknowns.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
That isn't it. Make sure you link in Depodesta and involved in Browns draft when you ask google. Or type in "Should Paul Depodesta be involved in the Browns draft"
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So, in other words, when your choice is 4th and 11 from the 30...and Hopkins is your kicker...then you might as well go for the 12 yard pass.
You know what sucks? I thought Hopkins was having an awesome season place kicking that year he tore his hammy near the end trying prevent a KO return for a TD. We haven't seen the same guy since.
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OK-then google "Does Depodesta help draft Browns football players?". You'll find an article where it documents his involvement with Berry and Stafanski in selecting the 2020 draft. I can't get my copy and paste working at the moment, so you'll have to find it. It's very clear he does.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
STEFANSKI ON ANALYTICS
“You know, I’m looking for any edge we can get, and certainly, I know analytics is another buzzword out there, but we’re looking to make informed decisions,” Stefanski said. “So, as a play caller or whether (it’s) player evaluation, information is power. We like to have a lot of information that informs our decisions. Our setup that we have in meeting without guys this morning was incredible. I think we’re well on our way where we can provide impactful information to our coaches, to our personnel department that can really, again, help the product in terms of wins and losses.”
Stefanski noted how, as an offensive coordinator with the Vikings, he’d meet with those in the analytics department to go over data that could suggest when an opposing defensive coordinator is more apt to blitz. That would be more information to add into the game plan.
“I can tell you, certain decisions that you make, whether it be for protection or when to run a certain play, you have that (data) in mind,” he said, “and you have some information that was able to be gathered by compiling that data. So I just think it’s another tool when it comes to play-calling or in personnel. It’s something the Vikings did, something I know the Browns do. It just provides more information. We have so much information, we have years of it, so let’s use it to our advantage.”
DEPODESTA ON ANALYTICS
“I think people have a really warped view of maybe what analytics is. I think I may have a different perception from what everybody else has,” DePodesta said. “When I think of analytics I just think of having a sort of framework to make decisions under uncertainty. Everything we do in these jobs is really built around uncertainty and what players we’re going to take in the draft, what we’re going to call on third-and-8. I mean, it’s all uncertainty, right? So what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
DePodesta said it’s not necessarily about numbers of spreadsheets. In many ways, it’s about reinforcing what you’ve learned from other processes, such as a personality test backing up what references have told you about a potential coaching hire.
Any time I read hand ringing about "analytics" all I can think is do people know that stats are analytics.....
All using analytics are is adding objective measurements to subjective measurements in an effort to make the best/most informed decisions possible when there is a lot of unknowns.
I believe you are referring to this article https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/how-kevin-stefanski-and-paul-depodesta-see-analytics-fitting-with-the-browns-new-vision.html?outputType=amp
Though it doesn't exactly fit the narrative
STEFANSKI ON ANALYTICS
“You know, I’m looking for any edge we can get, and certainly, I know analytics is another buzzword out there, but we’re looking to make informed decisions,” Stefanski said. “So, as a play caller or whether (it’s) player evaluation, information is power. We like to have a lot of information that informs our decisions. Our setup that we have in meeting without guys this morning was incredible. I think we’re well on our way where we can provide impactful information to our coaches, to our personnel department that can really, again, help the product in terms of wins and losses.”
Stefanski noted how, as an offensive coordinator with the Vikings, he’d meet with those in the analytics department to go over data that could suggest when an opposing defensive coordinator is more apt to blitz. That would be more information to add into the game plan.
“I can tell you, certain decisions that you make, whether it be for protection or when to run a certain play, you have that (data) in mind,” he said, “and you have some information that was able to be gathered by compiling that data. So I just think it’s another tool when it comes to play-calling or in personnel. It’s something the Vikings did, something I know the Browns do. It just provides more information. We have so much information, we have years of it, so let’s use it to our advantage.”
DEPODESTA ON ANALYTICS
“I think people have a really warped view of maybe what analytics is. I think I may have a different perception from what everybody else has,” DePodesta said. “When I think of analytics I just think of having a sort of framework to make decisions under uncertainty. Everything we do in these jobs is really built around uncertainty and what players we’re going to take in the draft, what we’re going to call on third-and-8. I mean, it’s all uncertainty, right? So what frameworks can you create that at least stacks the odds in your favor, gives you a better chance of being successful.”
DePodesta said it’s not necessarily about numbers of spreadsheets. In many ways, it’s about reinforcing what you’ve learned from other processes, such as a personality test backing up what references have told you about a potential coaching hire.
Any time I read hand ringing about "analytics" all I can think is do people know that stats are analytics.....
All using analytics are is adding objective measurements to subjective measurements in an effort to make the best/most informed decisions possible when there is a lot of unknowns.
I'm old school in the sense that there's nothing better to analyze than film. It gives you the why things happen on merely every play. It gives you situational tendencies of opponents.
This franchise made a REAL bold move going after Watson. At first it made sense UNTIL it was crystal clear they never really identified WHY he was so gotta-have that they played leap frog with unicorns around the enormous red flags about his character. 3 years into Watson being here - the Browns were still hiring and firing offensive coaches that were going to help design a more appropriate fit to Watson's skillset (THAT THEY NEVER IDENTIFIED ON FILM).
He made 2 or 3 Pro Bowls in Houston leading them to the playoffs twice inclusive of erasing a late 4th quarter deficit against Josh Allen & the Bills. There were things he was good at on film that the Browns just never identified. One could argue that the mental/psychological side of it were even bigger barriers. Whatever it may be - the Browns never showed anyone what it was they thought made him so gotta have. Houston knew what they wanted from him; and got it until they also learned what they didn't want. And, of course, here comes the Browns FO and Jimmy.
All that to say, the best informed decisions specific to your opponent have always come from film study. That's why Paul Brown was who he was at every level he coached. As far as what a HC wants to do choosing between going for it or kicking for points or punting it away for field position - coaches have always developed their strategies based on their personnel often inclusive of what they're up against (which again requires film for vulnerabilities to exploit or why punting/kicking is the better option). Hope some of that made sense.
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I was at Blossom last night taking in a concert, so I couldn’t watch the game.
I just finished watching the replay on NFL Network, and I agree with you.
Let’s not overreact, we’re Browns fans and we’ve seen this before in preseason.
Good idea CD. 1 week at a time. The regular season is a whole different ball game - where opponents will be prepared with what they want to exploit as well as knowing the Browns offensive tendencies.
I don't know if many of our fans are old enough to remember the preseason heroics of Eric Zeier; but when the Browns had to use him in the regular season... He didn't look anything like the QB he was exciting people with his preseason performances.
Here's his 1st 2 years in the NFL showing the 1st season with the Browns:
Good idea CD. 1 week at a time. The regular season is a whole different ball game - where opponents will be prepared with what they want to exploit as well as knowing the Browns offensive tendencies.
I don't know if many of our fans are old enough to remember the preseason heroics of Eric Zeier; but when the Browns had to use him in the regular season... He didn't look anything like the QB he was exciting people with his preseason performances.
Here's his 1st 2 years in the NFL showing the 1st season with the Browns:
I mean by comparison, Kyle Allen of the Lions went 7/8 for 120 yards with 2 TD’s in basically one quarter of football. Should he be crowned league MVP? ?
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Good idea CD. 1 week at a time. The regular season is a whole different ball game - where opponents will be prepared with what they want to exploit as well as knowing the Browns offensive tendencies.
I don't know if many of our fans are old enough to remember the preseason heroics of Eric Zeier; but when the Browns had to use him in the regular season... He didn't look anything like the QB he was exciting people with his preseason performances.
Here's his 1st 2 years in the NFL showing the 1st season with the Browns:
I mean by comparison, Kyle Allen of the Lions went 7/8 for 120 yards with 2 TD’s in basically one quarter of football. Should he be crowned league MVP? ?
I mean by comparison, Kyle Allen of the Lions went 7/8 for 120 yards with 2 TD’s in basically one quarter of football. Should he be crowned league MVP? ?
Absolutely!! Aggie head Coach and Aggie QB.....................................Absolutely!!???
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