Browns vs. Steelers offensive line
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Are you saying you can't do the same for the Steelers because their blocking scheme varies from that used by the Browns?
Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
The steelers actually run a lot of zone blocking under munchak.
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Scheme should'nt matter all that much.. you can play the position.. or you simply cant.
They are asked to excel at different things in different schemes. Either way pff in October of last year ranked the Browns 1st and the Steelers 4th. Are you really going to challenge the guy that dissects offensive line play on your message board?
They are asked to excel at different things in different schemes. Either way pff in October of last year ranked the Browns 1st and the Steelers 4th. Are you really going to challenge the guy that dissects offensive line play on your message board?
I will challenge anyone that I think is giving me the runaround.....yes. You certainly know that about me.
A missed block is a missed block in any scheme. A made block is a made block.
Do you think it is just "scheme" that allows a JJ Watt to be so good at what he does?
Do you think Alex Mack could not perform...and be evaluated ...in the Steelers scheme and that Maurkice Pouncey could'n't perform...and be evaluated in the Browns scheme?
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Are you saying you can't do the same for the Steelers because their blocking scheme varies from that used by the Browns?
Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
OK, I can understand that. I wasn't asking for that. Just general impressions. Yes, I would expect to see the results of something "pregraded" like Mudlfly's PFF rankings.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Sure, sure. But the question remains "how well did each player perform" within the given scheme that a team utilizes.
Again, no, not asking you to do that. Its not that big of a deal. I just thought that there may be some central grading system that looks at it. NFL.com, PFF, whatever.
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Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
The steelers actually run a lot of zone blocking under munchak.
The steelers actually run a lot of zone blocking under munchak.
No doubt... I've seen examples of you running it in highlights. As I said there are few pure schemes anymore. But my impression was that the Steelers did not emphasize the ZBS to the extent that we did and were not as proficient as we were running it. Shades of the chicken and egg debate...
And FYI... we deemphasized the ZBS in the middle third of the season. The period after Mack went down and before McDonald/ Seymore developed late.
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Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
OK, I can understand that. I wasn't asking for that. Just general impressions. Yes, I would expect to see the results of something "pregraded" like Mudlfly's PFF rankings.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Sure, sure. But the question remains "how well did each player perform" within the given scheme that a team utilizes.
Again, no, not asking you to do that. Its not that big of a deal. I just thought that there may be some central grading system that looks at it. NFL.com, PFF, whatever.
Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
OK, I can understand that. I wasn't asking for that. Just general impressions. Yes, I would expect to see the results of something "pregraded" like Mudlfly's PFF rankings.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Sure, sure. But the question remains "how well did each player perform" within the given scheme that a team utilizes.
Again, no, not asking you to do that. Its not that big of a deal. I just thought that there may be some central grading system that looks at it. NFL.com, PFF, whatever.
As of last October Browns 1st, Steelers 4th according to PFF. I already posted the same above.
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Scheme should'nt matter all that much.. you can play the position.. or you simply cant.
They are asked to excel at different things in different schemes. Either way pff in October of last year ranked the Browns 1st and the Steelers 4th. Are you really going to challenge the guy that dissects offensive line play on your message board?
Are you really going to challenge the guy that dissects offensive line play on your message board?
Thanks, but nothing sacred about my O-line grades... Just a guy with an interest, a little O-line experience in the distant past and a lot of time to kill.
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Thanks, but nothing sacred about my O-line grades... Just a guy with an interest, a little O-line experience in the distant past and a lot of time to kill.
No problem and I know its just your opinion. My point was nickers doesn't evaluate anything. Yet he wanted to question your stance with nothing more than a "nah uh"
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Thanks, but nothing sacred about my O-line grades... Just a guy with an interest, a little O-line experience in the distant past and a lot of time to kill.
No problem and I know its just your opinion. My point was nickers doesn't evaluate anything. Yet he wanted to question your stance with nothing more than a "nah uh"
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Can't? No... I can, but not going to invest 4 hours per game as I do for the Browns. So not surprisingly I haven't evaluated the Steelers at all.
OK, I can understand that. I wasn't asking for that. Just general impressions. Yes, I would expect to see the results of something "pregraded" like Mudlfly's PFF rankings.
My impression was that the Steeler O-line surprised to the upside in 2014. There were a lot more questions about them as a unit going into the season than there were coming out. Could well be the Munchak factor.
None of which changes that our ZBS leaning scheme has different requirements than their Power leaning scheme. Yes, there is overlap in the skillsets, but they are not the same. The ZBS is more speed/ agility dependent. Case in point was Greco dropping over 20 lb from his 2013 game weight to get quicker.
Sure, sure. But the question remains "how well did each player perform" within the given scheme that a team utilizes.
Again, no, not asking you to do that. Its not that big of a deal. I just thought that there may be some central grading system that looks at it. NFL.com, PFF, whatever.
As of last October Browns 1st, Steelers 4th according to PFF. I already posted the same above.
As of last October Browns 1st, Steelers 4th according to PFF. I already posted the same above.
Well, I think that need to be fleshed out a little more. How did each player grade out.
Or, maybe that is what Mudfly pointed out earlier.
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Id say it's not even close.....we got em at 4 outta 5 positions(slam dunk) and there's even an argument that Schwartz is better than Gilbert.....but Id call that one a wash.....and you know I love scores and rankings, so just for the sake of it, here are their NFL ranks for 2014...)
Joe Thomas(#3) beats Beachum(#5),,,,
Bitonio(#2) crushes Foster(#18)......
Mack(prjcts to #2) beats Pouncy(#6)
Greco(#6) beats DeCastro(#11)...
Schwartz(#12) falls to Gilbert(#10) (but its close)
Id say it's not even close.....we got em at 4 outta 5 positions(slam dunk) and there's even an argument that Schwartz is better than Gilbert.....but Id call that one a wash.....and you know I love scores and rankings, so just for the sake of it, here are their NFL ranks for 2014...)
Joe Thomas(#3) beats Beachum(#5),,,,
Bitonio(#2) crushes Foster(#18)......
Mack(prjcts to #2) beats Pouncy(#6)
Greco(#6) beats DeCastro(#11)...
Schwartz(#12) falls to Gilbert(#10) (but its close)
So....the Browns O Line grades out better in 4 of the 5 positions. (That is about what I thought it would be by just my general impressions....I just had a couple of guys switched....)
By the way Mud.....is it possible for you to list how all the AFCN O Lines rank on this thing?
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Id say it's not even close.....we got em at 4 outta 5 positions(slam dunk) and there's even an argument that Schwartz is better than Gilbert.....but Id call that one a wash.....and you know I love scores and rankings, so just for the sake of it, here are their NFL ranks for 2014...)
Joe Thomas(#3) beats Beachum(#5),,,,
Bitonio(#2) crushes Foster(#18)......
Mack(prjcts to #2) beats Pouncy(#6)
Greco(#6) beats DeCastro(#11)...
Schwartz(#12) falls to Gilbert(#10) (but its close)
So....the Browns O Line grades out better in 4 of the 5 positions. (That is about what I thought it would be by just my general impressions....I just had a couple of guys switched....)
By the way Mud.....is it possible for you to list how all the AFCN O Lines rank on this thing?
So....the Browns O Line grades out better in 4 of the 5 positions. (That is about what I thought it would be by just my general impressions....I just had a couple of guys switched....)
By the way Mud.....is it possible for you to list how all the AFCN O Lines rank on this thing?
Lol, do your own research.
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Well, I think that need to be fleshed out a little more. How did each player grade out.
Or, maybe that is what Mudfly pointed out earlier.
Right, that is their individual rank in the nfl, by position & PFF rating......I do not have "line scores" per se, but suffice to say if we have 3 top 5 guys, we got the best line(arguably in the whole NFL)...(cant come up with one thats even close, cept maybe Dallas)
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So....the Browns O Line grades out better in 4 of the 5 positions. (That is about what I thought it would be by just my general impressions....I just had a couple of guys switched....)
By the way Mud.....is it possible for you to list how all the AFCN O Lines rank on this thing?
Lol, do your own research.
Lol, do your own research.
Mud has, I believe, a service that he has paid for that compiles this info. PFF I believe. I don't have access to it, so I can't do that. Besides two things: A. We like to share the burden around here. If I just began spewing data everyone would get bored....so I let others in on the action, and B. You really don't want me doing my own research, because every time I do I make mince meat out of one of your delusions, and you just go off and sulk and ignore the facts I post. You must think if you don't see the facts that they will go away.
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Lol, do your own research.
Mud has, I believe, a service that he has paid for that compiles this info. PFF I believe. I don't have access to it, so I can't do that. Besides two things: A. We like to share the burden around here. If I just began spewing data everyone would get bored....so I let others in on the action, and B. You really don't want me doing my own research, because every time I do I make mince meat out of one of your delusions, and you just go off and sulk and ignore the facts I post. You must think if you don't see the facts that they will go away.
Mud has, I believe, a service that he has paid for that compiles this info. PFF I believe. I don't have access to it, so I can't do that. Besides two things: A. We like to share the burden around here. If I just began spewing data everyone would get bored....so I let others in on the action, and B. You really don't want me doing my own research, because every time I do I make mince meat out of one of your delusions, and you just go off and sulk and ignore the facts I post. You must think if you don't see the facts that they will go away.
You are so delusional. You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site. Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season. The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th. The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line. I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster. The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
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Mud has, I believe, a service that he has paid for that compiles this info. PFF I believe. I don't have access to it, so I can't do that. Besides two things: A. We like to share the burden around here. If I just began spewing data everyone would get bored....so I let others in on the action, and B. You really don't want me doing my own research, because every time I do I make mince meat out of one of your delusions, and you just go off and sulk and ignore the facts I post. You must think if you don't see the facts that they will go away.
You are so delusional. You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site. Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season. The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th. The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line. I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster. The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
You are so delusional.
Except, naturally, all my delusions are factual.
You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site.
If it is so readily available....then YOU do it. YOU research the numbers. I readily admit that I ask for help from others to provide information...because I spend enough time doing this as it is.
I will rely on Mud's resources. If YOU want to refute them, then YOU do the research.
Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season.
Except of course when it came to rushing...the Browns 2 rookies were just as productive...I guess our two kids must be top 5 if you combine them.
Oops...see that is as statistic you didn't like and ignored. More fool you.
The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th.
Hello, McFly....is anybody home? THAT is the question I asked.
Do you have a problem with the answer?
The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line.
Now you are delusional.... We are talking offensive line on this thread. You can't even keep straight what unit you are talking about. The Steelers offensive line vastly overachieved....and could still not rate as good as the Browns Ol.
I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster.
Again....are you keeping yourself straight? We can switch to defensive line....but there is a total separate thread for that.
And NOTHING is evident....at all about Heyward.....
But if you want to do the research and present accurate, neutral evidence of your contention....please feel free.
Again.....that is one of the reason I have asked these questions....to see what neutral parties say about these things. I never claimed I had all the answers.
In other words, prove your point.
The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
OK, remind me of the score of the last time the two teams played?
(Insert Jack Nicholson quote herein)
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You are so delusional.
Except, naturally, all my delusions are factual.
You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site.
If it is so readily available....then YOU do it. YOU research the numbers. I readily admit that I ask for help from others to provide information...because I spend enough time doing this as it is.
I will rely on Mud's resources. If YOU want to refute them, then YOU do the research.
Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season.
Except of course when it came to rushing...the Browns 2 rookies were just as productive...I guess our two kids must be top 5 if you combine them.
Oops...see that is as statistic you didn't like and ignored. More fool you.
The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th.
Hello, McFly....is anybody home? THAT is the question I asked.
Do you have a problem with the answer?
The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line.
Now you are delusional.... We are talking offensive line on this thread. You can't even keep straight what unit you are talking about. The Steelers offensive line vastly overachieved....and could still not rate as good as the Browns Ol.
I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster.
Again....are you keeping yourself straight? We can switch to defensive line....but there is a total separate thread for that.
And NOTHING is evident....at all about Heyward.....
But if you want to do the research and present accurate, neutral evidence of your contention....please feel free.
Again.....that is one of the reason I have asked these questions....to see what neutral parties say about these things. I never claimed I had all the answers.
In other words, prove your point.
The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
OK, remind me of the score of the last time the two teams played?
(Insert Jack Nicholson quote herein)
You are so delusional.
Except, naturally, all my delusions are factual.
You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site.
If it is so readily available....then YOU do it. YOU research the numbers. I readily admit that I ask for help from others to provide information...because I spend enough time doing this as it is.
I will rely on Mud's resources. If YOU want to refute them, then YOU do the research.
Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season.
Except of course when it came to rushing...the Browns 2 rookies were just as productive...I guess our two kids must be top 5 if you combine them.
Oops...see that is as statistic you didn't like and ignored. More fool you.
The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th.
Hello, McFly....is anybody home? THAT is the question I asked.
Do you have a problem with the answer?
The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line.
Now you are delusional.... We are talking offensive line on this thread. You can't even keep straight what unit you are talking about. The Steelers offensive line vastly overachieved....and could still not rate as good as the Browns Ol.
I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster.
Again....are you keeping yourself straight? We can switch to defensive line....but there is a total separate thread for that.
And NOTHING is evident....at all about Heyward.....
But if you want to do the research and present accurate, neutral evidence of your contention....please feel free.
Again.....that is one of the reason I have asked these questions....to see what neutral parties say about these things. I never claimed I had all the answers.
In other words, prove your point.
The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
OK, remind me of the score of the last time the two teams played?
(Insert Jack Nicholson quote herein)
I meant to indicate dline in my post but did not, my mistake. I have no interest in going round and round in every thread you start. Heyward was rated the best if just comparing steelers/browns by PFF. I don't feel like linking it. You can do that yourself. You never back anything up with facts. The most factual thing to come from any of these threads have been posts from other people using PFF ranking. You just spew. I'm as tired of going round and round with you as the rest of the board is reading it. My problem is I have a hard time ignoring flat out ignorance. Isn't it funny that I only seem to have to go round and round with you? I don't have that problem with anyone else. Your like the damn wizard from the wizard of oz.
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You are so delusional.
Except, naturally, all my delusions are factual.
You do spew and you are boring and maybe he does have premium access but there is plenty of free information on the site.
If it is so readily available....then YOU do it. YOU research the numbers. I readily admit that I ask for help from others to provide information...because I spend enough time doing this as it is.
I will rely on Mud's resources. If YOU want to refute them, then YOU do the research.
Mince meat out of what delusions? The steelers are better than the browns? Bell is possibly the best HB in the NFL. Brown is top 5 but arguably the best in the league. He certainly was the best last season.
Except of course when it came to rushing...the Browns 2 rookies were just as productive...I guess our two kids must be top 5 if you combine them.
Oops...see that is as statistic you didn't like and ignored. More fool you.
The areas of team strength for the browns aren't drastically better if better at all than the steelers? 1st vs 4th.
Hello, McFly....is anybody home? THAT is the question I asked.
Do you have a problem with the answer?
The Steelers line before the season was rated higher than the browns line.
Now you are delusional.... We are talking offensive line on this thread. You can't even keep straight what unit you are talking about. The Steelers offensive line vastly overachieved....and could still not rate as good as the Browns Ol.
I'm sure its more evident now and heyward is rated better than any dlineman on your roster.
Again....are you keeping yourself straight? We can switch to defensive line....but there is a total separate thread for that.
And NOTHING is evident....at all about Heyward.....
But if you want to do the research and present accurate, neutral evidence of your contention....please feel free.
Again.....that is one of the reason I have asked these questions....to see what neutral parties say about these things. I never claimed I had all the answers.
In other words, prove your point.
The facts show the browns aren't better than the steelers now or 5 years from now.
OK, remind me of the score of the last time the two teams played?
(Insert Jack Nicholson quote herein)
I meant to indicate dline in my post but did not, my mistake. I have no interest in going round and round in every thread you start. Heyward was rated the best if just comparing steelers/browns by PFF. I don't feel like linking it. You can do that yourself. You never back anything up with facts. The most factual thing to come from any of these threads have been posts from other people using PFF ranking. You just spew. I'm as tired of going round and round with you as the rest of the board is reading it. My problem is I have a hard time ignoring flat out ignorance. Isn't it funny that I only seem to have to go round and round with you? I don't have that problem with anyone else. Your like the damn wizard from the wizard of oz.
I meant to indicate dline in my post but did not, my mistake. I have no interest in going round and round in every thread you start.
Then why are you posting in every one? Responding to my every statement?
Heyward was rated the best if just comparing steelers/browns by PFF. I don't feel like linking it. You can do that yourself.
No, I don't trust what you say.....you have been proven factually wrong so many times. Sorry, I don't trust your word. If you want to claim that Heyward rated the best DL on the two team....show the proof.
You never back anything up with facts.
Hell, not only do I back up my stuff with facts.....I back up what other people have stated.
The most factual thing to come from any of these threads have been posts from other people using PFF ranking. You just spew.
Yea, I spewed the fact that the Browns two rookie RBs were just as productive at running the ball as Bell was.....And I even spewed up facts backing you up that he was a much bigger part of the passing game than our RBs were.
Why am I doing your work for you....when you want to argue black and white facts....even when they are in your favor.
You on the other hand have done nothing except to admit that you are too lazy to back up your points.
I'm as tired of going round and round with you as the rest of the board is reading it. My problem is I have a hard time ignoring flat out ignorance.
You certainly do have a problem ignoring ignorance, primarily your own.
Isn't it funny that I only seem to have to go round and round with you? I don't have that problem with anyone else.
You don't even have a problem with me.....Your problem is with yourself. You chase your tail like a dog in heat.
I have placed on here three threads. One asking for a comparison of the Browns and Steelers linebacking corps. One asking for a comparison of the Browns and Steelers Offensive Line, and one asking for comparison of the Browns and Steelers defensive line. Between myself, and Mudfly and Tour and others we have placed on these board data and information relevent to the purpose of these threads.
Yet, every time one of us presents a fact that shows that the Browns have a talent or statistical advantage in one of these area...your brain explodes into a quagmire of rage, instability and myopia such that you would have thought someone had killed one of your kids. And like I said, you can't even accept data that is in your favor....or accept an acquiescence of facts that are in your favor. I mean, you are like psychotic about it.
Your like the damn wizard from the wizard of oz.
More Merlin.
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Vag and Gip always matching wits!
Doesn't get any better than that on these boards!
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Lol. I'm starting to just skim thru them when Gip gets him worked up. But anyway to the point of these threads : Browns OL and secondary better than Steelers. Front seven close to a wash, and skill players undoubtably better in PIT. And that's just the way it is folks (mic drops)Stuart said:
Vag and Gip always matching wits!
Doesn't get any better than that on these boards!
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Lol. I'm starting to just skim thru them when Gip gets him worked up. But anyway to the point of these threads : Browns OL and secondary better than Steelers. Front seven close to a wash, and skill players undoubtably better in PIT. And that's just the way it is folks (mic drops)Stuart said:
Vag and Gip always matching wits!
Doesn't get any better than that on these boards!
Lol. I'm starting to just skim thru them when Gip gets him worked up. But anyway to the point of these threads : Browns OL and secondary better than Steelers. Front seven close to a wash, and skill players undoubtably better in PIT. And that's just the way it is folks (mic drops)
I'd skim through them too if I were you.
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