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  • Clevfan4life C Banned Very Popular
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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    ur right, and they also need to find new professions.

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      https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007693

      Key Dates

      MARCH 1933
      SA REIGN OF TERROR AGAINST JEWS THROUGHOUT GERMANY

      The SA (Storm Troopers) attack Jewish-owned department stores in German cities in an attempt to segregate Jews from the rest of society. Local police, not yet under Nazi control, unsuccessfully attempt to stop the attacks. Members of the SA continue the rampage and enter courtrooms, dragging Jewish lawyers and judges into the streets where they are subjected to humiliating public acts. These attacks are publicized by international Jewish organizations and the press, which urge a boycott of German goods. In response, the Nazis organize a nationwide boycott of Jewish businesses in Germany, blaming Jews for anti-German tone of the international press.

      APRIL 1, 1933
      NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT OF JEWISH-OWNED BUSINESSES

      At 10:00 a.m., SA and SS members stand in front of Jewish-owned businesses throughout Germany to inform the public that the proprietors of these establishments are Jewish. The word "Jude," German for "Jew," is often smeared on store display windows, with a Star of David painted in yellow and black across the doors. Anti-Jewish signs accompany these slogans. In some towns, the SA marches through the streets singing anti-Jewish slogans and party songs. In other towns, violence accompanies the boycott; in Kiel, a Jewish lawyer is killed. The official boycott ends at midnight.

      APRIL 7, 1933
      LAW DISMISSES JEWS FROM CIVIL SERVICE

      The Nazi government enacts the Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service. This law seeks to exclude those considered to be opponents of the Nazi state—Jews and political opponents. As a result, civil service employees are forced to prove their "Aryan" descent by documenting the religion of their parents and grandparents. If unable to do so, they are dismissed from service. Hitler reluctantly concedes to President Paul von Hindenburg's demand to exempt from dismissal those civil servants who are veterans of World War I or whose close relatives had fallen in that conflict. Similar laws passed in the following weeks affect Jewish lawyers and doctors.

      Copyright © United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Washington, DC

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      • C calfoxwc

        No dr or pharmacist, baker or priest can be forced to violate their

        religious beliefs.

          Freedom of RELIGION, not freedom of bigotry.

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        OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        @calfoxwc said:

        No dr or pharmacist, baker or priest can be forced to violate their

        religious beliefs.

          Freedom of RELIGION, not freedom of bigotry.

        Making an accommodation for religious beliefs can usually be worked out. In this case the pharmacy should just have another pharmacist handle these cases. Simple fix,

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          @calfoxwc said:

          No dr or pharmacist, baker or priest can be forced to violate their

          religious beliefs.

            Freedom of RELIGION, not freedom of bigotry.

          Making an accommodation for religious beliefs can usually be worked out. In this case the pharmacy should just have another pharmacist handle these cases. Simple fix,

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          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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          @oldbrownsfan said:

          Making an accommodation for religious beliefs can usually be worked out. In this case the pharmacy should just have another pharmacist handle these cases. Simple fix,

          u mean like kim davis should have allowed one of her deputy magistrates dole out the liscenses? anyway, pharmacies usually dont have multiple pharmacists on duty at the same time. and newsflash dead fetus's could seriously damage women so there is a time factor here. there are places in this country where there is one pharmacist within 50-100 sq miles or more. 

          thos is just one of those professions thays not for religious folk. 

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            @oldbrownsfan said:

            Making an accommodation for religious beliefs can usually be worked out. In this case the pharmacy should just have another pharmacist handle these cases. Simple fix,

            u mean like kim davis should have allowed one of her deputy magistrates dole out the liscenses? anyway, pharmacies usually dont have multiple pharmacists on duty at the same time. and newsflash dead fetus's could seriously damage women so there is a time factor here. there are places in this country where there is one pharmacist within 50-100 sq miles or more. 

            thos is just one of those professions thays not for religious folk. 

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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            @clevfan4life said:

            u mean like kim davis should have allowed one of her deputy magistrates dole out the liscenses? anyway, pharmacies usually dont have multiple pharmacists on duty at the same time. and newsflash dead fetus's could seriously damage women so there is a time factor here. there are places in this country where there is one pharmacist within 50-100 sq miles or more. 

            thos is just one of those professions thays not for religious folk. 

            The problem Kim Davis had was her name was signed to the marriage certificates to gay couples and even if another clerk handled the case her name would still be on it. They took her name off the license and it was a simple fix. Also Kim Davis went to jail for not following the law and when are the leaders of sanctuary cities going to go to jail  for not following the law? 

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              One difference is that Walgreens has a national chain and apparently has no problem selling the birth control pill. The pharmacist is merely an employee so I figure if he can't see his way clear to providing that pill time to look for some place that will support him. Same with the woman in Kentucky. The bakers were sole Proprietors. 

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                The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

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                  The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

                  WSS

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                  @westside-steve said:

                  The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

                  WSS

                  what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

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                    Pharmacist refuses to fill medication for miscarriage

                    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/walgreens-pharmacist-refused-give-woman-medication-help-miscarriage-183652430.html

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                    This one is going to be tricky. We've already decided that doctors cannot be forced to perform abortions and even a wink and a nod saying that tax money shouldn't go to abortion providers.

                    I can certainly understand religious people thinking that abortion is evil. Even some of our pro-abortion members are a little bit creeped out by it and might even admit that late-term abortions that have nothing to do with the mother's life should be banned.

                    The pharmacist here, in my opinion, is trying to get attention. I say let somebody else fill the prescription.

                    WSS

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                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    @westside-steve said:

                    Pharmacist refuses to fill medication for miscarriage

                    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/walgreens-pharmacist-refused-give-woman-medication-help-miscarriage-183652430.html

                    Shared from my Google feed

                    This one is going to be tricky. We've already decided that doctors cannot be forced to perform abortions and even a wink and a nod saying that tax money shouldn't go to abortion providers.

                    I can certainly understand religious people thinking that abortion is evil. Even some of our pro-abortion members are a little bit creeped out by it and might even admit that late-term abortions that have nothing to do with the mother's life should be banned.

                    The pharmacist here, in my opinion, is trying to get attention. I say let somebody else fill the prescription.

                    WSS

                    Bravo.  Bravo I say.

                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                      I think that is the answer to let someone else fill the prescription. 

                      Miscarrage? Are you kidding? He should lose his pharmacy licence.

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                      Miscarrage? Are you kidding? He should lose his pharmacy licence.

                      No he shouldn't.  It's there policy that they do not have to fill a prescription.  He does have to arrange for some other store to take care of it, which he did.

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

                        WSS

                        what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

                        Here's your cake kids. You can put your own to queer guys on top of it. 

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                          Meanwhile SCOTUS sided with religious freedom, now orders the lower court to revisit their

                          decision against the flower shop.

                          https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/06/25/scotus-lower-court-must-rehear-flower-shop-case-in-light-of-recent-gay-wedding-cake-ruling

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                            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                            just to be clear in cases like wedding photogs,bakers,florists....these are non essential business's that i could care less if they dont want to serve gays. that being said, dont then bitch if a restsurant with gay employees tell conservative people to kick rocks. 

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                              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                              This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

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                                This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                This was also medication to enduce an abortion/miscarriage on an already dead fetus. Not really the buzzword action of "killing babies". If that makes any difference in this case.

                                a dead fetus is still alive u baby killer. 

                                lols, u know it makes no difference to these people. they'd rather see women die if god so chooses but they get cancer and its off to the doctor for chemo,u know, letting nature take its course?

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                                  @westside-steve said:

                                  The baker's could have sidestepped the situation, maybe, by saying sure we will make the cake hope you like it, but no we're not putting two homosexuals on top. You'll have to do that when you get home.

                                  WSS

                                  what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

                                  Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

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                                    @clevfan4life said:

                                    what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

                                    Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

                                    WSS

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                                    Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

                                    WSS

                                    But you and I both know they really didn't want a cake...they wanted attention, and a lawsuit.

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                                      @clevfan4life said:

                                      what exactly did they want ontop of the cake? frankly if they werent being asked to cater the wedding in person just make the cake.

                                      Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

                                      WSS

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Again same deal as the klan ordering cookies with swastikas from a kosher bakery. Heres the cookies boys put the swastikas on yourselves. And exactly what the couple wanted was to homesexuals standing on the cake. And speaking rationally the baker could have avoided any situation by merely saying we don't carry that particular novelty. If you want queers on top of the cake you can order them from Amazon and put them on when you get home.

                                      WSS

                                      Not exactly the same deal. Klan members choose to be in a clan. Gays don't choose to be gay. Same level as gender, race, etc. That's the major distinction

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                                        Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                                        you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                                        But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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                                          Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                                          you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                                          But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          Baloney. Advertizing perverse sexual leanings is a deliberate choice. Most all people I've ever worked with,

                                          you assume normality - you don't know about their sexuality in either case.

                                          But gays "come out" - that is a choice - which has a lot to do with the culture war against Real America.

                                          Those damn gay people making the choice to "come out". How dare they. So perverse. Why can't they just not do anything that would indicate they're gay in anyway, and live with that hidden away. Geez

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