USC QBs Overrated
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I think it's straight forward, by and large USC QB's suck in the NFL
That is my biggest fear, although mostly irrational, about drafting Darnold at 1.
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So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?
So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?
Alabama is a good choice: l they currently have 3 HOF QBs: Starr, Namath, Stabler
Purdue is another: Dawson, Griese....and they will have Drew Brees when he is done (also had Jim Everett and a couple other decent ones)
UCLA has a couple: Waterfield, Aikman
Stanford has to be considered: Elway, Plunkett, Luck. All #1 overall.....along with Bobby Garrett who may actually be the biggest bust in the history of the draft: a #1 overall QB....who never played but a handful of games....and played -0- for the team that drafted him...i.e. The Cleveland Browns. They also had John Brodie come out of there.
Oregon has to be mentioned: HOFers Dan Fouts and Norm Van Brocklin...plus the up and coming Mariota
Notre Dame? Only Montana and Joe Theismann were much good. They had their share of bad busts: John Huarte, Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn.
Michigan has HOF Benny Friedman....plus Brady. Harbaugh decent.
Miami Fla.....had that group all there at the same time: Kelly, Bernie, Vinny. But not much good since. George Mir back in the 60s.
BYU was QB U for a while: Steve Young, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
And Troy was a Sooner first and almost not a Bruin at all.......
......On October 19, Miami's Jerome Brown broke through the offensive line, sacked Aikman on the Sooner 29-yard line and broke Aikman's ankle. Aikman, who had been six of eight passing for 131 yards, would be lost for the season. Switzer and offensive coordinator Jim Donnan were forced to switch back to the wishbone offense under freshman quarterback Jamelle Holieway. The team went on to win the 1985 National Championship. With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decided to transfer to UCLA........
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Good data, Gip. I struggle with the correlation, though, assuming someone thinks there is one. Maybe I’m wrong.
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Mahomes possibly?
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
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It's mind boggling how a powerhouse like Ohio State hasn't had anyone good at QB in the NFL for decades.
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
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Successful NFL UCLA QBs
1989 - Troy Aikman - Approximately 30 years ago there was a guy who excelled at the NFL level in the non salary cap NFL.
The rest of the guys were all Bums.
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
Billy Kilmer, Bob Waterfield
Bob Who?
Kilmer played wearing a leather jock strap.
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
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What about Wyoming? After all that's where our guy is from......
All the Wyoming QBs drafted anyway....since the common draft began in 1966:
Drafted Players
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
Well if you want to look at some recent QB success, look at NCSU, they have produced Phillip Rivers, Russel Wilson, Mike Glennon and Jacoby Brisette, and if you are using the last 30 years you can also add Erik Kramer.
Their claim on Russell is tenuous at best, but they make a good case... but not a clear winner.
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Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Then there's the list of UCLA qb's.
Troy Aikman...
Brett Hundley....
...and.....
a bunch of guys I never heard of.
Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono:
Drafted Players
Rk Year Rnd Pick Pos DrAge Tm From To AP1 PB St CarAV G GS QBrec Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD College/Univ 1 2015 5 147 Brett Hundley QB 22 GNB 2016 2017 0 0 1 5 15 9 3-6-0 194 326 1853 9 13 39 268 2 UCLA College Stats 2 1999 1 12 Cade McNown QB 22 CHI 1999 2000 0 0 0 7 25 15 3-12-0 281 515 3111 16 19 82 486 3 UCLA College Stats 3 1992 1 25 Tommy Maddox QB 21 DEN 1992 2005 0 0 2 24 92 36 15-20-1 686 1200 8087 48 54 68 128 1 UCLA College Stats 4 1989 1 1 Troy Aikman HOF QB 22 DAL 1989 2000 0 6 11 97 165 165 94-71-0 2898 4715 32942 165 141 327 1016 9 UCLA College Stats 5 1986 11 291 David Norrie QB 22 SEA 1987 1987 0 0 0 1 2 2 0-2-0 35 68 376 1 4 5 5 0 UCLA College Stats 6 1985 6 142 Steve Bono QB 23 MIN 1985 1999 0 1 2 32 88 42 28-14-0 934 1701 10439 62 42 125 257 7 UCLA College Stats 7 1984 3 83 Jay Schroeder QB 23 WAS 1985 1994 0 1 8 62 118 99 61-38-0 1426 2808 20063 114 108 242 761 5 UCLA College Stats 8 1983 10 267 Tom Ramsey QB 22 NWE 1986 1989 0 0 0 5 28 5 2-3-0 108 214 1285 7 10 21 82 1 UCLA College Stats 9 1968 2 30 Gary Beban QB 22 RAM 1968 1969 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 1 0 0 0 5 18 0 UCLA College Stats -
Yea, no real correlation. Just because a bunch of QBs...or any players from one particular school has been crappy in the past does not mean that future QBs from that school will be crappy in the future. And vice versa. Just because past QBs were good doesn't mean others will be good.
The only place it seems to apply really is Big 12 QBs. There has really been no real good one since that conference was formed in 1994. That is a period now of 24 years...and that his 10-12 schools. (unless you count Andy Dalton as a real franchise QB.)
I guess that has to change sometime. This year? With either Mayfield or Rudolph?
Mahomes possibly?
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Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Looking at all the QBs drafted in the past 30 years there is no clear, winning "QBU" from a quality standpoint.
But if you look at quantity then there is one: USC with 9 QBs drafted.
Did not note any with 8, but there are a handful tied with seven each...
- Washington
- Tennesee
- Oregon
- Michigan
- LSU
- FSU
Of course, having QBs drafted....and having them be good, are two different matters. As you note: USC had the most drafted....but except for Palmer...no real success stories. (Ergo....the title to this thread: USC QBs overrated?).
And the funny thing about Washington: their best QB ever went undrafted...and had to go play in Canada for 5 years because the NFL didn't think he would be good because he was black: Warren Moon. (though that was probably more than 30 years ago)
Of course, one guy can help a school's reputation: Brady for FMU, Peyton for Tenn.
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