Great maybe we can get all the old faggots back like inspecta, mz the pussy., shep (oh he is already back), danamal, etc. No thank you.

@earl34 said:First, Eric Mangini is a smart X's and O's coach with a "contagious personality" which totally belies the guy whom we see at the podium. There are numerous NFL people who believe this including Ernie Accorsi, Bill Parcells and, yes, Bill Belicheck. You don't just talk your way into an NFL head coaching job. Second, Jim Rome didn't watch any of the 2-for-17 performance and I'm sick and tired of people who don't watch the game making such polarizing comments and opinion-laden rants on a game that they didn't watch. Third, Jim Rome is looking for shock value and nothing more. The problem is that the "hate Mangini" news cycle was two weeks or more ago and in the last two days we're starting into an upswing with the articles by Peter King and the "Mangini is changing" by Florio. Jim Rome wants you to think that Josh McDaniels' success and Eric Mangini's success are mutually exclusive. They're not. Answer these questions: -If Eric Mangini is such a horrible guy, then why did the guy who fired him, the guy who replaced him and multiple Jet players show up en masse to support his youth camp this year on their own time? Why did Dustin Keller get up and sing the praises of EM to the 800 kids? -If Eric Mangini is a horrible coach then how come he could beat Belichick twice in Foxboro and drill an undefeated Tennessee team on the road? -If Eric Mangini turned in the Pats for cheating....how come there's no mention that he actually blew the whistle? There's implication but there's not any proof that it wasn't someone else in the organization -If Eric Mangini is so horrible, then why did Bill Belichick get SO pissed at him for taking the Jets' job? Let's see, get the offer of an NFL HC job at age 34 and turn it down because Bill doesn't like it? What was Bill afraid of? See above. -If Eric Mangini is such a horrible talent evaluator then how come all but two of his roster cuts in Cleveland are out of the league? -Here is his draft history with the Jets: 2006 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia 1 Nick Mangold Ohio State 2 Kellen Clemens Oregon 3 Anthony Schlegel Ohio State 3 Eric Smith Michigan State 4 Brad Smith Missouri 4 Leon Washington Florida State 5 Jason Pociask Wisconsin 6 Drew Coleman Texas Christian 7 Titus Adams Nebraska 2007 1 Darrelle Revis Pittsburgh 2 David Harris Michigan 6 Jacob Bender Nicholls State 7 Chansi Stuckey Clemson 2008 Vernon Gholston Ohio State 1 Dustin Keller Purdue 4 Dwight Lowery San Jose State 5 Erik Ainge Tennessee 6 Marcus Henry Kansas 7 Nate Garner Arkansas All of these guys are still in the league except for Schlegel. I don't wanna hear any more of this Mike Tannenbaum crap either. He's a lawyer and a bean-counter who was brought in by Parcells to manage the cap. He's admitted himself that he's never scouted a player personally. Sorry guys....as usual....Jim Rome has missed the boat. The Browns' comments on "Moving the Chains" today on NFL Radio were STELLAR regarding the head coach specifically by BOTH hosts. I would trust Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan (who've actually played, coached, GM'd and scouted in this league) over a midget who once called Jim Everett "Chrissy" to the point of getting a beat down. Best post on here in a looooooong looooooooong time. Thank you

That as a fantastic game... See the laws of physics even comes into the NFL. We saw a perfectly poor game in the Bills and the Browns and to balance the scales we had a great game with the Jets and Miami... That was also a great pass and a great run by Ginn and Henne... Also did anyone notice the Hail Mary that fell 7 yards short of the end zone from Sanchez? He looks like he has the arm strength, but he threw it so high up I think you could have mounted a camera on it and painted Goodyear on the side of that pass...

@planet-0range said:I cannot stand the fat fuk. He isn't fat now

*Bump Z's stats from Rich Passan's "Rich's Rant" on OBR yesterday: And how about that Zastudil. Give him a paycheck, too. Seven of his nine punts landed inside the Bills’ 20, three inside the 5, two inside the 1-yard line. Insane. *edit* Must have been the wind.

What do you need, a memo from the Browns? It's offically a 3rd and a 5th w/ the chance for the 3rd to become a 2nd.

Zombo said: Are you even reading my posts? I said if you take away the three games, Quinn is largely an unknown. This all started by a Quinnie whining about his "circumstances". I replied that they are no worse than the circumstances that DA started 08 with, however if you take away Quinns bad three games with circumstances and take away that 3-game stretch with Anderson ... Anderson suddenly looks like a better QB overall, while Quinn just looks unknown. That's all I'm saying. Yes I know Anderson was Pro Bowler heading into 2008, that is largely my point. Shit happened. He went into camp as the unquestioned starter, yes, he went through camp getting his timing down with Braylon Edwards and Donte Stallworth. First Braylon got hurt, then Anderson gets a concussion, then Stallworth gets hurt warming up for the first game. The team was relying on Joe to be the third receiver but he goes on IR with Staph and is done. Winslow's balls blow up like basketballs and he plays the whole season hurt, a shell of his old self. This stuff really happened. No one needs to use it as an excuse ... but if a Quinn Fag is whining about Brady's circumstances .... myself, being a Browns fan ... I'm going to come back with "well ya, but remember how bad was last year for DA? Bad circumstances for both." It doesn't matter that Quinnie is a newborn hatchling who only got three games ... he didn't play well in those three games. Anderson didn't play well in the first three games the year before. But if you look at the body of their work, outside of those three game stretches, Anderson has an impressive start to his career while Quinn is an unknown ... that's it. Just digest and try not get all fired up because I said "Quinn Fag" ... I thought that was accpeted terminology around here. Feel free to call DA Fag, Blow Boy, Horseball's Bitch or any other name ... it doesn't change my game. I've been pounding the podium about DA being underappreciated all year. Now we'll see if I'm right. Grab some popcorn. Zombo Fair enough, Z. I'm not fired about anything. Notice my lack of exclamation points; I'm cool. We're not that far apart here. I just object to the idea that Quinn should be automatically better than Anderson and can be fairly judged after 3 starts, especially these 3 starts. That's all I'm saying. Oh, and I wasn't calling you out. Grey was. Glad you did all that stuff though, big boy.

And next year Garcia leaves..We would still have Quinn, Anderson, and Ratliff with no more experience in real games than they have right now.. So bringing him actually achieves WHAT? I am looking forward...not just at this year..

I liked the playcalling in the series leading to the second touchdown. I look at this and go 'how hard can it be'? If you can't design your own plays, they are there for the picking from the other 31 teams week in and week out.

You don't gotta stay in my ND thread, Leg. I did it to limit myself, not you. That was a huge win. Claussen is impressing me this year.

@danamal said:At some point this Sunday Quinn has to say fuk it and let it go. I'm getting impatient watching a QB that looks like he needs binoculars installed inside his helmet. The near-sighted passing game is getting just as aggravating as watching DA's hollowdome throwing TDs passes to the opponent. 1 more half of nothing and I'm very ready to welcome Ratliff going Brian Sipe on someone. I'm getting tired of seeing bad QBing that requires old and new testaments of excuses. From now on folks, if we don't win forget the spin. All I know is when we've seen GOOD QBs here, I noticed the following: 1) Cleveland won consistently 2) Our team made the playoffs 3) Our oline was good 4) Our running game was good 5) Our WRs were good 6) Our defense was good 7) Nobody wanted the OC fired Nobody wanted the Head Coach fired 9) Nobody wanted to see our other QBs in the game 10) We beat Pittsburgh at least once a season BTW, if we win this week - you didn't read ANY of that! As you were, - Tom F.

Cause we are just a bad football team. No ifs or buts about it. We are god-awful.

Every single jersey I ever wore as a sorry glory days HS & div3 college athlete I wore #29 because of E-Rock. He was the best. Probably my favorite Brown.

@hiwaygal said:Not sure if I'll make it to the Tavern today...it's our anniversary and we're planning on...well, you don't need to know that part! I might check in later, but have a few \_/ \_/ \_/ for me! Oh, and GO BROWNS!!! Happy Anniversary!! I hope you have a wonderful day

@inspecta said:Best news i've heard all week.... Yes...... He is a playmaker and we need him bad. BTW did you see James Davis get his clock cleaned? He has been out in practice. Lets go Harrison

Tom Coughlin's face: Priceless. (Sorry, I needed some joy this weekend).

Ha! Still drinking... because, well there was a Browns game today. Dennis my gang is from Donegal - waaaay Northern Ireland. Amazingly fun & hospitable bunch of drunks from such a cold & hateful climate. I know there are many other arguable instances, but for me, this is the 1st time I think Weis cost us the game. That 1st & 10 call to the FB (Hughes - who had to be helped off the field last week), instead of going to Allen (#5) who had a great game all day was silly. Two incompletes later, and the Doucherines get the ball back with plenty of time. Seems Weiss took a page from Crennel's autobiography: Great Moments in Decision Making Travis Minor (UM) is a legit RB, and I wish Rich-Rod had waited til next week to figure that out. Our D while improved, still needs a lot of work.

Aloysius said:Some thoughts:- Alabama's Rolando McClain was impressive last night (2.5 sacks), which will be completely forgotten because of his mini-Blount outburst, in which he laid a cheap shot on an o-linemen, then shoved a ref. I loved how the ref shoved him back, then threw the flag. If I were Saban, I'd suspend McClain's for next week's game; it's not like they'll need him to beat Florida International. - VTech's Sergio Render did a nice job run blocking from his left guard spot. On one play, he managed to pancake Mountain Cody, which was quite a feat. That said, he didn't always look too hot pulling or trying to block at the second level, and there were some bad assignment breakdowns when Alabama blitzed. How he fares against Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh in two weeks will play a big role in determining his draft stock. - VTech end Jason Worilds looked amazing. Finally playing with two healthy shoulders, Worilds displayed a great combination of speed and power rushing off the edge. He looks like a future top 15 pick and is athletic enough to play linebacker in a 3-4. He'd look good in a Browns uniform. Correction, they may need him to fight against Florida International.

@damajuki said:Alright, Leg, I'm back and ready to go. As a resident Domer, I guess it's my duty to share what I'm thinking since I'm watching anyway... Yeah, Floyd is looking sick. Don't think we'll see him after this year if he keeps this up. What impressed me most was the combo of skills, both the TD on the quick out that he runs away from everyone (GREAT block/getting in the way by Golden Tate) and the jump ball, body control TD. Dude looked ridiculous. Hard to say much else about the O since Floyd dominated so thoroughly. The D looked pretty good though. I liked the blitz looks and the freshman LB looked legit. It was nice to see us looking like a real college team again. A thorough domination like we had only received recently and not given so that was nice to see. Gives me hope for some more entertaining Saturdays this year. Te'o I think is the freshman LB. He's definitely a thumper (6'2, 244) & a crowd favorite. Every hit he had it was like Rudy was on the field. On his recruiting visit last year, the student section wore Lei's to get him to come. That said, it actually looks like that he can play a little bit too. Tate is a complete receiver. Definitely a roster spot for him in the NFL. And Floyd is well, Floyd. 6'3, 215 fast & strong. Great target for Claussen. Our run D was a little suspect, and I'm not sure why Nevada didn't run the ball every play. That kid was averaging 7 yards a carry. But yeah, the blitz happy Irish was definitely exciting to watch.

Only watched the first half, but Michigan's D looked great. DE Brandon Graham and LB Obi Ezeh are Steeler-type players: big, physical, and explosive enough to make a collision mean something. Graham continually harassed QB Tim Hiller, while Ezeh cleaned up on a bunch of broken plays. But I'm not sure that they'll consistently be that good. W. Michigan's short passing attack is the type of offense Michigan seems geared toward stopping. Last year, safety Stevie "Coverage Fail" Brown gave up a lot of big plays. He's since moved down to linebacker, but I don't know if the guy who replaced him is much better. If you can run the ball on them and throw over the top, you can control the clock & score a lot of points. On the other side of the ball, QB Denard Robinson looks like a player. Maybe not a real passer yet, but he sure can run.